From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Robert Macri [robertm@zymos.com] Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 3:38 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: RE: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Possibly phone outbound calling? I posted yesterday to the group that two clients were told they could do the registrations for $20 on the CIRA site. Is it a telemarketer with a bad script ? Regards, Robert Macri -----Original Message----- From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net [mailto:owner-careg-discuss@egate.net]On Behalf Of Mark Jeftovic Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 4:15 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: RE: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Possibly phone outbound calling? On 27-Oct-2000 Paul Andersen wrote: > > So one of these supposed 'CIRA' people called one of our customers. They > told them that they could do the registration for $20 on the spot if they > wanted. There was no catches and yes they said they could take the order. > > (so my client says -- it is all 3rd party) > > The concern is I am fairly confident this customer shouldn't have been > called. The person demanded a call back number from the person and > wouldn't give one. > > Bernard says there is very little we can do until we find out who it > is. I would suggest if any of us get calls directly for this that they > take the order on the spot and we see where it pops up. > Sounds like it might be an outright scam, i.e. if you sign up on the spot it'll never pop up anywhere, except maybe on a counterfeit credit card somewhere. -mark ---------------------------------- Mark Jeftovic http://www.easydns.com/ http://mark.jeftovic.net/ ---------------------------------- From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Mark Jeftovic [markjr@easydns.com] Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 3:15 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: RE: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Possibly phone outbound calling? On 27-Oct-2000 Paul Andersen wrote: > > So one of these supposed 'CIRA' people called one of our customers. They > told them that they could do the registration for $20 on the spot if they > wanted. There was no catches and yes they said they could take the order. > > (so my client says -- it is all 3rd party) > > The concern is I am fairly confident this customer shouldn't have been > called. The person demanded a call back number from the person and > wouldn't give one. > > Bernard says there is very little we can do until we find out who it > is. I would suggest if any of us get calls directly for this that they > take the order on the spot and we see where it pops up. > Sounds like it might be an outright scam, i.e. if you sign up on the spot it'll never pop up anywhere, except maybe on a counterfeit credit card somewhere. -mark ---------------------------------- Mark Jeftovic http://www.easydns.com/ http://mark.jeftovic.net/ ----------------------------------From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Paul Andersen [paul@egate.net] Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 2:54 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Possibly phone outbound calling? So one of these supposed 'CIRA' people called one of our customers. They told them that they could do the registration for $20 on the spot if they wanted. There was no catches and yes they said they could take the order. (so my client says -- it is all 3rd party) The concern is I am fairly confident this customer shouldn't have been called. The person demanded a call back number from the person and wouldn't give one. Bernard says there is very little we can do until we find out who it is. I would suggest if any of us get calls directly for this that they take the order on the spot and we see where it pops up. p. --- Paul Andersen (InterNIC:PA137) paul@egate.net E-Gate Communications Inc. T: +1 (416) 447-7700x23 "How many PIDs could a SIGHUP HUP if a SIGHUP could HUP PIDs?" From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Andre Lepage [lepage@riq.qc.ca] Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 11:49 AM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] invalid admin emails We ask the client if he want that we send to him an email with the information necesary to pre-register his domaine name (equivalent to the one send by CIRA). If the client agree (by email) we send his the information and we will have to update the information later. André At 00-10-27 09:58-0700, you wrote: >How are people dealing with invalid admin contact email addresses? > >Are you directing people to fax auth via cdnnet.ca and if so what are >the turnaround times looking like? > >Or are you submitting as is and confirming on the part of the end user >when you get the 24 hour warning? > >-mark > > >---- >Mark Jeftovic, >easyDNS Technologies Inc. http://www.easyDNS.com/ Toujours le premier à vous offrir la gamme complète de services Internet de classe affaires, depuis 1994. André Lepage Directeur général URL: http://www.riq.qc.ca Téléphone : (514) 875-5351 Montréal (418) 521-2884 Québec Registraire agréé par: L'Association canadienne pour les enregistrements internet.From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Martin Leclair [leclair@webdepart.com] Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 11:33 AM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] invalid admin emails We are directing people to the fax auth, it normally takes 1-2 days. Martin Leclair [leclair@webdepart.com] Président et Éditeur -- Les Éditions WebDépart inc. ICQ : #3279314 Tel : +1 514-286-4242 #103 ____________________________________________________________________ Visitez WEBDÉPART, votre rendez-vous quotidien! http://www.webdepart.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jeftovic" To: Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 12:58 PM Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] invalid admin emails > > How are people dealing with invalid admin contact email addresses? > > Are you directing people to fax auth via cdnnet.ca and if so what are > the turnaround times looking like? > > Or are you submitting as is and confirming on the part of the end user > when you get the 24 hour warning? > > -mark > > > ---- > Mark Jeftovic, > easyDNS Technologies Inc. http://www.easyDNS.com/ > > From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Trillium Internet [admin@trillium.ca] Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 10:49 AM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] WHOIS again and very helpful......... *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 10/27/00 at 11:24 Martin Leclair wrote: >A whois server would be important. > >Martin Leclair [leclair@webdepart.com] >Président et Éditeur -- Les Éditions WebDépart inc. > >ICQ : #3279314 >Tel : +1 514-286-4242 #103 > >____________________________________________________________________ > >Visitez WEBDÉPART, votre rendez-vous quotidien! >http://www.webdepart.com > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Paul Andersen" >To: >Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 9:12 AM >Subject: RE: [CAREG-DISCUSS] WHOIS again > > >> My suggestion is to add this to the technical problem list I'm drafting. A >> quick discussion with Bernie suggested that running a whois server is not >> out of the question. >> >> p. >> >> >> >> On Fri, 27 Oct 2000, Scott Allan wrote: >> >> > At 08:30 AM 10/27/00 -0400, you wrote: >> > >> > >Hello, >> > > >> > >No, there will not be a whois.cira.ca. It looks like we will be the >only >> > >registry on the planet does not have a tcp based whois is server. >> > >> > This seems about as wise as sending message to a mailing list with >"return >> > receipt" on. ;) >> > >> > >We have to use XML based whois service provided on the CIRA web site. I >do >> > >not know about the rest of you, but right now I do not have the >resources >> > >to allocate on developing this. >> > >> > It is not a question of resources for us, but there is no question CIRA >> > should offer a "normal" whois service. >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > sA >> > Scott Allan >> > Director OpenSRS >> > sallan@opensrs.org >> > >> >> >> --- >> Paul Andersen (InterNIC:PA137) paul@egate.net >> E-Gate Communications Inc. T: +1 (416) 447-7700x23 >> >> "How many PIDs could a SIGHUP HUP if a SIGHUP could HUP PIDs?" >> >> From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Martin Leclair [leclair@webdepart.com] Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 10:24 AM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] WHOIS again A whois server would be important. Martin Leclair [leclair@webdepart.com] Président et Éditeur -- Les Éditions WebDépart inc. ICQ : #3279314 Tel : +1 514-286-4242 #103 ____________________________________________________________________ Visitez WEBDÉPART, votre rendez-vous quotidien! http://www.webdepart.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Andersen" To: Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 9:12 AM Subject: RE: [CAREG-DISCUSS] WHOIS again > My suggestion is to add this to the technical problem list I'm drafting. A > quick discussion with Bernie suggested that running a whois server is not > out of the question. > > p. > > > > On Fri, 27 Oct 2000, Scott Allan wrote: > > > At 08:30 AM 10/27/00 -0400, you wrote: > > > > >Hello, > > > > > >No, there will not be a whois.cira.ca. It looks like we will be the only > > >registry on the planet does not have a tcp based whois is server. > > > > This seems about as wise as sending message to a mailing list with "return > > receipt" on. ;) > > > > >We have to use XML based whois service provided on the CIRA web site. I do > > >not know about the rest of you, but right now I do not have the resources > > >to allocate on developing this. > > > > It is not a question of resources for us, but there is no question CIRA > > should offer a "normal" whois service. > > > > Regards, > > > > sA > > Scott Allan > > Director OpenSRS > > sallan@opensrs.org > > > > > --- > Paul Andersen (InterNIC:PA137) paul@egate.net > E-Gate Communications Inc. T: +1 (416) 447-7700x23 > > "How many PIDs could a SIGHUP HUP if a SIGHUP could HUP PIDs?" > > From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Timothy M. Denton [tmdenton@magma.ca] Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 1:41 PM To: gigi@dot.ca Cc: Careg-Discuss Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] RE: Forum for feedback? To Gigi Lipton Dear Gigi: Your concerns are serious and will be addressed. Thank you for copying me on the letter to Bernie Turcotte. Registrars have been under a deadline to respond to CIRA's proposals for November 1 and, as a group, to be in existence before CIRA's Board meeting on October 26th in Montreal. These have been done, with an inevitable cost that speed brings to democratic processes. Had we had more time, we would have used slower and more inclusive measures. But we did not have that time. Now maybe we will. I certainly hope so. We received the complete list of CIRA registrars Wednesday afternoon this week, which will now become the basis of the ca-registrars announce and discuss lists. I think one has to be sensitive to the environment in which ca-registrars have come into existence. CIRA was set up a few years ago as a not-for-profit company, and this, in my opinion, has affected the environment in which we are working as registrars. When people are in a not-for-profit organization, it is my experience that they do not think as readily in terms of markets, serving customers, and the realities of price and product competition as those who are exposed daily to the business of serving customers. It may serve the interests of some to question the representivity of the ca-group, who themselves have never yet been required to stand for a vote of their peers, even among 15, 20 or 60 people. It also suits the interests of some to divide and conquer. The somewhat anarchic collective of autonomous self-organizing individuals called ca-registrars have launched themselves into existence and will become the effective voice of registrars, if registrars want one. (It remains to be seen whether all registrars want a group for collective action. Most apparently do want such a thing, and for this reason it will work. Some will never be satsified, since someone will always have incentives to complain to big-daddy CIRA and CIRA will always have incentives to say: "We are ignoring you because you don't represent all members of the group".) I will have more to write to the whole group about the results of the Board meeting at CIRA, which were broadly positive for the canadian public and ca-registrars. John Demco has indicated to us that he wants to continue to serve on the board of CIRA, which I think is an excellent decision, and that he would not continue past a certain point to serve as the representative of commercial registrars interests, since a group exists for that purpose, which can and should nominate someone to the Board. Accordingly, it is my hope and expectation that CIRA will nominate him to sit on an elected seat in the elections which are scheduled for April-May 2001, and it is my intention to support him as much as I can, and I hope that the registrars will do their bit to seem him elected to the Board of CIRA. He is a valuable resource and we would like to keep him on the Board. I am going to say something here that does not respond to anything you have said or implied, but which should be said in this context. Commercial registrars serve the public. If we cannot serve the public effectively, we do not make money. The claims of those who serve the public interest without having to pass the test of the market are in consequence not of superior moral standing to those who serve the public interest by actually serving the public. Dot ca is in competition with many other registry systems, and soon many more. For .ca to be a success, it is necessary that CIRA take proper account of the interests of people who are on the front line of serving the public. Registrars have the right to organize and petition for our particular interests. Finding the right balance between the small and the large, ensuring sufficient consultation, getting as many aboard as possible, is always difficult. For a group that started two weeks ago today, we are making rapid progress in accomplishing these goals. I hope you will have cause to reconsider your position, by the nature of the actions ca-registrars will take. Yours sincerely, Tim Timothy Denton Interim Coordinator .ca-registrars tmdenton@magma.ca www.tmdenton.com 613-789-5397 -----Original Message----- From: Bernard Turcotte [mailto:turcotte@canarie.ca] Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 4:59 AM To: cregistrar@opensrs.org; Tim Denton; cregistrar-list@cira.ca Subject: FW: Forum for feedback? > -----Original Message----- > From: CA Internet Domain Registration [mailto:registrar@dot.ca] > Sent: October 25, 2000 7:24 PM > To: turcotte@canarie.ca > Subject: Forum for feedback? > > > Hi, > > Not being politically adept enough to reply through correct > channels, I would like to voice my opinion to you here. > > Our efforts are in full support of your (Cira's) efforts as I've > said before. You have been most accomodating and have assisted in > our growth as a CA domain registrar tremendously in only 37 days. > Without someone exactly like you in the role, I couldn't imagine > it possible. > > After receiving your note today that the minutes were considered > concensus, I must write. There was one round the table vote > (although I was late to the meeting) and the rest of the votes > were via the anyone object? question. While this is a valid form for > speed, it does not suit me. > > The atmosphere in the registrar group is not adversarial to my > surprise, but it is certainly bullish. > > As much as a group which represents common goals and objectives > is of benefit, I do not believe it is the goal of this group. I will > not be attending additional registrar group meetings. > > Foremost, I believe a group which pushes to remove John Demco > from his deserved seat is wrong. John is now as much involved as any > registrar in a commercial interest. John has shot me down before > and I still consider him fair and possessing the highest of > admirable work and moral ethics. > > John grew the framework he was given. Cira / Canarie will take it > to heights never imagined. > > My decision is to remain in a good standing business relationship > with my suppliers directly. I value the opportunity to be a Cira > registrar and hope it is to my retirement. > > I think if you polled other registrars from within and outside > the registrars group, you may find few attendees for a reason, fewer > in the future, and most of the opinion that the group does not > provide the right forum or representation. And certainly 14 people at > a meeting are not representative of 40. > > I have VP'd an international corporation from both sides of the > border in a former career and have seen this type of thing happen to > the destruction of the larger picture before. > > Please give some thought. > > Regards, > Gigi Lipton, DOT.CA > gigi@dot.ca > > From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Robert Macri [robertm@zymos.com] Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 10:00 AM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: RE: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Mismatched Nameservers Hello Paul, I have the same problem. I have several that we not pass. I even did a cut and paste directly from UBC, and they still fail. Forward the rejects to Bernard, but no answer yet. Regards, Robert Macri -----Original Message----- From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net [mailto:owner-careg-discuss@egate.net]On Behalf Of Paul Andersen Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 6:50 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Cc: turcotte@canarie.ca Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Mismatched Nameservers I'm getting rejections again: Error 1: Code: 01234 / Desc: Domain first host name does not match UBC info. Error 2: Code: 01236 / Desc: Domain second host name does not match UBC info. Even though it clearly does. Anyone else have problems? Or does this seem to be isolated? p. --- Paul Andersen (InterNIC:PA137) paul@egate.net E-Gate Communications Inc. T: +1 (416) 447-7700x23 "How many PIDs could a SIGHUP HUP if a SIGHUP could HUP PIDs?" From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Paul Andersen [paul@egate.net] Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 9:04 AM To: Timothy M. Denton Cc: Careg-Discuss Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Re: Creation of a complete ca-reg list Hi Tim, Yes... However today is a bit boggled down. Can we say early PM for this? p. On Fri, 27 Oct 2000, Timothy M. Denton wrote: > > Paul: > > Good morning! > Among the subjects raised and dealt with at yesterday's CIRA Board meeting > was the extent of the .ca list. > > I promised that the .ca list was already/ would be shortly coextensive with > the list of accredited .ca registrars. This is in keeping with the fact that > any accredited registrar is a member of the ca-registrars group. > > Can you make it so? > I shall have a note to send to the entire group later this morning. It would > be appropriate to reach them all.Thank you for your assistance. > > Timothy Denton > Interim Coordinator > .ca-registrars > tmdenton@magma.ca > www.tmdenton.com > 613-789-5397 > --- Paul Andersen (InterNIC:PA137) paul@egate.net E-Gate Communications Inc. T: +1 (416) 447-7700x23 "How many PIDs could a SIGHUP HUP if a SIGHUP could HUP PIDs?" From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Mark Jeftovic [markjr@easydns.com] Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 11:58 AM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] invalid admin emails How are people dealing with invalid admin contact email addresses? Are you directing people to fax auth via cdnnet.ca and if so what are the turnaround times looking like? Or are you submitting as is and confirming on the part of the end user when you get the 24 hour warning? -mark ---- Mark Jeftovic, easyDNS Technologies Inc. http://www.easyDNS.com/ From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Timothy M. Denton [tmdenton@magma.ca] Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 11:56 AM To: Paul Andersen Cc: Careg-Discuss Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Creation of a complete ca-reg list Paul: Good morning! Among the subjects raised and dealt with at yesterday's CIRA Board meeting was the extent of the .ca list. I promised that the .ca list was already/ would be shortly coextensive with the list of accredited .ca registrars. This is in keeping with the fact that any accredited registrar is a member of the ca-registrars group. Can you make it so? I shall have a note to send to the entire group later this morning. It would be appropriate to reach them all.Thank you for your assistance. Timothy Denton Interim Coordinator .ca-registrars tmdenton@magma.ca www.tmdenton.com 613-789-5397 From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Paul Andersen [paul@egate.net] Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 8:12 AM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: RE: [CAREG-DISCUSS] WHOIS again My suggestion is to add this to the technical problem list I'm drafting. A quick discussion with Bernie suggested that running a whois server is not out of the question. p. On Fri, 27 Oct 2000, Scott Allan wrote: > At 08:30 AM 10/27/00 -0400, you wrote: > > >Hello, > > > >No, there will not be a whois.cira.ca. It looks like we will be the only > >registry on the planet does not have a tcp based whois is server. > > This seems about as wise as sending message to a mailing list with "return > receipt" on. ;) > > >We have to use XML based whois service provided on the CIRA web site. I do > >not know about the rest of you, but right now I do not have the resources > >to allocate on developing this. > > It is not a question of resources for us, but there is no question CIRA > should offer a "normal" whois service. > > Regards, > > sA > Scott Allan > Director OpenSRS > sallan@opensrs.org > --- Paul Andersen (InterNIC:PA137) paul@egate.net E-Gate Communications Inc. T: +1 (416) 447-7700x23 "How many PIDs could a SIGHUP HUP if a SIGHUP could HUP PIDs?" From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Mark Jeftovic [markjr@easydns.com] Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 10:59 AM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: RE: [CAREG-DISCUSS] WHOIS again One of the thoughts I've had on this is I might rig up a web->port 43 whois gateway for .CA, just because I refuse to port my PHP whois class to do web lookups and without a whois server for .CA my .CA extended class will break. No idea when I would get around to doing this (although it wouldn't take too long), and I would rather have CIRA run a port 43 server than operate a kludge as described above. (Hell, I'd even give them the source code if they'd run it) -mark ---- Mark Jeftovic, easyDNS Technologies Inc. http://www.easyDNS.com/ From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Scott Allan [sallan@opensrs.org] Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 7:46 AM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: RE: [CAREG-DISCUSS] WHOIS again At 08:30 AM 10/27/00 -0400, you wrote: >Hello, > >No, there will not be a whois.cira.ca. It looks like we will be the only >registry on the planet does not have a tcp based whois is server. This seems about as wise as sending message to a mailing list with "return receipt" on. ;) >We have to use XML based whois service provided on the CIRA web site. I do >not know about the rest of you, but right now I do not have the resources >to allocate on developing this. It is not a question of resources for us, but there is no question CIRA should offer a "normal" whois service. Regards, sA Scott Allan Director OpenSRS sallan@opensrs.org From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Robert Macri [robertm@zymos.com] Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 7:31 AM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: RE: [CAREG-DISCUSS] WHOIS again Hello, No, there will not be a whois.cira.ca. It looks like we will be the only registry on the planet does not have a tcp based whois is server. We have to use XML based whois service provided on the CIRA web site. I do not know about the rest of you, but right now I do not have the resources to allocate on developing this. I would hope that we could talk CIRA into setting a real whois is server so we can use existing scripts that work with other registries. Regards, Robert Macri -----Original Message----- From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net [mailto:owner-careg-discuss@egate.net]On Behalf Of sibername.com Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 11:45 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] WHOIS again Hi everybody, >From the emails of today I understand that we all are using the UBC server for whois requests. Am I missing something. Has anybody written about the new whois server that will replace whois.cdnnet.ca and I have not read. Basically it will be obsoleted when the database is transferred to CIRA and I do not think CIRA has a whois.cira.ca server ready for us, Any feedback appreciated, Best Regards, Mesut Bulent Turkoglu sibername.com From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Trillium Internet [admin@trillium.ca] Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 6:02 AM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] WHOIS again I agree the need of having a proper whois server for us. Has CIRA voiced anything over this? Michael Castro Trillium Internet *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 10/26/00 at 23:44 sibername.com wrote: Hi everybody, >From the emails of today I understand that we all are using the UBC server for whois requests. Am I missing something. Has anybody written about the new whois server that will replace whois.cdnnet.ca and I have not read. Basically it will be obsoleted when the database is transferred to CIRA and I do not think CIRA has a whois.cira.ca server ready for us, Any feedback appreciated, Best Regards, Mesut Bulent Turkoglu sibername.com From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of sibername.com [sales@sibername.com] Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 10:45 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] WHOIS again Hi everybody, >From the emails of today I understand that we all are using the UBC server for whois requests. Am I missing something. Has anybody written about the new whois server that will replace whois.cdnnet.ca and I have not read. Basically it will be obsoleted when the database is transferred to CIRA and I do not think CIRA has a whois.cira.ca server ready for us, Any feedback appreciated, Best Regards, Mesut Bulent Turkoglu sibername.com From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Mark Jeftovic [markjr@easydns.com] Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 5:57 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: RE: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Mismatched Nameservers Check the modify date on the UBC whois record. If it's yesterday or today, wait until tomorrow and resubit. -mark On 26-Oct-2000 Paul Andersen wrote: > > I'm getting rejections again: > > Error 1: Code: 01234 / Desc: Domain first host name does not match UBC > info. > > Error 2: Code: 01236 / Desc: Domain second host name does not match UBC > info. > > Even though it clearly does. Anyone else have problems? Or does this seem > to be isolated? > > p. > > > > --- > Paul Andersen (InterNIC:PA137) paul@egate.net > E-Gate Communications Inc. T: +1 (416) 447-7700x23 > > "How many PIDs could a SIGHUP HUP if a SIGHUP could HUP PIDs?" ---------------------------------- Mark Jeftovic http://www.easydns.com/ http://mark.jeftovic.net/ ----------------------------------From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Paul Andersen [paul@egate.net] Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 5:50 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Cc: turcotte@canarie.ca Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Mismatched Nameservers I'm getting rejections again: Error 1: Code: 01234 / Desc: Domain first host name does not match UBC info. Error 2: Code: 01236 / Desc: Domain second host name does not match UBC info. Even though it clearly does. Anyone else have problems? Or does this seem to be isolated? p. --- Paul Andersen (InterNIC:PA137) paul@egate.net E-Gate Communications Inc. T: +1 (416) 447-7700x23 "How many PIDs could a SIGHUP HUP if a SIGHUP could HUP PIDs?" From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Mark Jeftovic [markjr@easydns.com] Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 2:21 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: RE: [CAREG-DISCUSS] registration without domain name On 26-Oct-2000 Ed Twardus wrote: > Using ENREG_RANT we register domain name , but got back confirmation that > we registered registrant without a domain name. > Has any body had the same problem? To actually register a registrant with a domain, use REGIS_DOM_RANT, ENREG_RANT is a registrant only. -mark ---------------------------------- Mark Jeftovic http://www.easydns.com/ http://mark.jeftovic.net/ ----------------------------------From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of CA Internet Domain Registration [registrar@dot.ca] Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 1:55 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Re: CDNNET Hi, www.cdnnet.ca/update.html errors 500 on second screen today. Gigi, DOT.CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Brown" To: Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Re: CDNNET On Thu, 26 Oct 2000, Martin Leclair wrote: > A lot of problems with cdnnet's web site.... the phone is ringing constently > with people telling us that our forms does not work. Did you have feedback > on what the problem is? Too mush requests? UBC whois seems to be running ok, but web requests are _very_ slow. has anyone contacted UBC about trying to get a compressed tarball put up somewhere the registrars can get at it? -Tom From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Paul Andersen [paul@egate.net] Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 1:44 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: RE: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Re: CDNNET I also have had a few calls. They seem to be heavily scripted. I've suggested to Bernard that the message be changed to say that they don't have anything on file yet and to ask if they have a registrar. We have a few bulk clients and manual queue entries that take a few days to get to so it can be a bit of a run around if they think that they didn't go to a proper registrar. p. > I've received three separate calls from the telemarketers today alone > and there was no mention of a $20 fee... > > < -----Original Message----- > < From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net > < [mailto:owner-careg-discuss@egate.net]On Behalf Of Robert Macri > < Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 1:16 PM > < To: careg-discuss@egate.net > < Subject: RE: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Re: CDNNET > < > < > < Hello Guy, > < > < Has anyone got feedback from the telemarketers calling the UBC > < database? I have clients telling me that the telemarketers are > < telling the admin contacts that they can pre-register on the > < CIRA site for $20! When confronted that there was no place to do > < this on the CIRA site, person did not know what to answer the > < person being called. > < > < Poor people were not confused enough by this process. > < > < Regards, > < > < Robert Macri > < > < > < > < -----Original Message----- > < From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net > < [mailto:owner-careg-discuss@egate.net]On Behalf Of Rob Hall > < Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 2:03 PM > < To: careg-discuss@egate.net > < Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Re: CDNNET > < > < At 01:40 PM 10/26/2000 -0400, you wrote: > < > < >They won't. Legal reasons. They don't trust us not to poach > < even though we > < >are not allowed to poach or CIRA will terminate our agreement. > < > > < >*boggle at the trust/no trust relationship* > < > < Actually, it is even more complicated than that. In the > agreements CIRA > < signed, CIRA now owns the intellectual property of the database. > < UBC has a > < right to use it for the purposes of transferring etc. > < > < But I agree ... UBC will not be interested in publishing the > entire > < database. I am not sure of the legal ramifications of one of us > < publishing > < it in a tar format. It used to be available in such formats, but > that > < service (along with the FTP into their servers) was cutoff over > < a year ago. > < > < I suspect that if we published this, CIRA and/or UBC might have > < a cause of > < action against us. > < > < Thank god it won't matter in a few days as the CIRA system will > become > < authoritative (and we will need the UBC system less and less ... > only for > < verification of info prior to a re-register!) > < > < Rob. > < > < > < -- > < Rob Hall voice (613) 768-5100 > < President fax (613) 820-0777 > < Momentous.ca Corp. > < rob@momentous.ca www.momentous.ca > < > < > < > < iti,s > < > ------------ Output from pgp ------------ > Cannot open configuration file /home/staff/paul/.pgp/pgp.cfg > Signature by unknown keyid: 0x90270109 > > --- Paul Andersen (InterNIC:PA137) paul@egate.net E-Gate Communications Inc. T: +1 (416) 447-7700x23 "How many PIDs could a SIGHUP HUP if a SIGHUP could HUP PIDs?" From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Ed Twardus [ed@energetex.com] Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 4:33 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] registration without domain name Using ENREG_RANT we register domain name , but got back confirmation that we registered registrant without a domain name. Has any body had the same problem? Ed Twardus Energetex.com ed@energetex.com From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Ross Wm. Rader [ross@tucows.com] Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 2:27 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: RE: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Re: CDNNET -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I've received three separate calls from the telemarketers today alone and there was no mention of a $20 fee... < -----Original Message----- < From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net < [mailto:owner-careg-discuss@egate.net]On Behalf Of Robert Macri < Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 1:16 PM < To: careg-discuss@egate.net < Subject: RE: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Re: CDNNET < < < Hello Guy, < < Has anyone got feedback from the telemarketers calling the UBC < database? I have clients telling me that the telemarketers are < telling the admin contacts that they can pre-register on the < CIRA site for $20! When confronted that there was no place to do < this on the CIRA site, person did not know what to answer the < person being called. < < Poor people were not confused enough by this process. < < Regards, < < Robert Macri < < < < -----Original Message----- < From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net < [mailto:owner-careg-discuss@egate.net]On Behalf Of Rob Hall < Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 2:03 PM < To: careg-discuss@egate.net < Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Re: CDNNET < < At 01:40 PM 10/26/2000 -0400, you wrote: < < >They won't. Legal reasons. They don't trust us not to poach < even though we < >are not allowed to poach or CIRA will terminate our agreement. < > < >*boggle at the trust/no trust relationship* < < Actually, it is even more complicated than that. In the agreements CIRA < signed, CIRA now owns the intellectual property of the database. < UBC has a < right to use it for the purposes of transferring etc. < < But I agree ... UBC will not be interested in publishing the entire < database. I am not sure of the legal ramifications of one of us < publishing < it in a tar format. It used to be available in such formats, but that < service (along with the FTP into their servers) was cutoff over < a year ago. < < I suspect that if we published this, CIRA and/or UBC might have < a cause of < action against us. < < Thank god it won't matter in a few days as the CIRA system will become < authoritative (and we will need the UBC system less and less ... only for < verification of info prior to a re-register!) < < Rob. < < < -- < Rob Hall voice (613) 768-5100 < President fax (613) 820-0777 < Momentous.ca Corp. < rob@momentous.ca www.momentous.ca < < < < iti,s < -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.7 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOfiFVG+3tRWQJwEJEQJ5BQCgkW9omp+FnWTepsvIW/tMfZ5SUdIAoKUW kt1SXXCC5joRzzBsZ/GgKmuH =gsZw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Robert Macri [robertm@zymos.com] Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 1:16 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: RE: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Re: CDNNET Hello Guy, Has anyone got feedback from the telemarketers calling the UBC database? I have clients telling me that the telemarketers are telling the admin contacts that they can pre-register on the CIRA site for $20! When confronted that there was no place to do this on the CIRA site, person did not know what to answer the person being called. Poor people were not confused enough by this process. Regards, Robert Macri -----Original Message----- From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net [mailto:owner-careg-discuss@egate.net]On Behalf Of Rob Hall Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 2:03 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Re: CDNNET At 01:40 PM 10/26/2000 -0400, you wrote: >They won't. Legal reasons. They don't trust us not to poach even though we >are not allowed to poach or CIRA will terminate our agreement. > >*boggle at the trust/no trust relationship* Actually, it is even more complicated than that. In the agreements CIRA signed, CIRA now owns the intellectual property of the database. UBC has a right to use it for the purposes of transferring etc. But I agree ... UBC will not be interested in publishing the entire database. I am not sure of the legal ramifications of one of us publishing it in a tar format. It used to be available in such formats, but that service (along with the FTP into their servers) was cutoff over a year ago. I suspect that if we published this, CIRA and/or UBC might have a cause of action against us. Thank god it won't matter in a few days as the CIRA system will become authoritative (and we will need the UBC system less and less ... only for verification of info prior to a re-register!) Rob. -- Rob Hall voice (613) 768-5100 President fax (613) 820-0777 Momentous.ca Corp. rob@momentous.ca www.momentous.ca iti,s From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Rob Hall [rob@momentous.ca] Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 1:03 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Re: CDNNET At 01:40 PM 10/26/2000 -0400, you wrote: >They won't. Legal reasons. They don't trust us not to poach even though we >are not allowed to poach or CIRA will terminate our agreement. > >*boggle at the trust/no trust relationship* Actually, it is even more complicated than that. In the agreements CIRA signed, CIRA now owns the intellectual property of the database. UBC has a right to use it for the purposes of transferring etc. But I agree ... UBC will not be interested in publishing the entire database. I am not sure of the legal ramifications of one of us publishing it in a tar format. It used to be available in such formats, but that service (along with the FTP into their servers) was cutoff over a year ago. I suspect that if we published this, CIRA and/or UBC might have a cause of action against us. Thank god it won't matter in a few days as the CIRA system will become authoritative (and we will need the UBC system less and less ... only for verification of info prior to a re-register!) Rob. -- Rob Hall voice (613) 768-5100 President fax (613) 820-0777 Momentous.ca Corp. rob@momentous.ca www.momentous.ca iti,s From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Walsh, Jordan [Jordan.Walsh@aliant.ca] Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 12:53 PM To: 'careg-discuss@egate.net' Subject: RE: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Working Group Proposal Good Afternoon Ross, I would be interested in participating in this working group. Please forward me any additional information when it becomes available. Please call or email with any questions or comments. Cheers, Jordan .................................................... Jordan Walsh Enterprise eBusiness Services Aliant Telecom Phone: 709.739.2097 Pager: 709.778.5944 Fax: 902.484.3240 -----Original Message----- From: Ross Wm. Rader [mailto:ross@tucows.com] Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 4:21 PM To: Careg-Discuss@Egate. Net Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Working Group Proposal *** PGP Signature Status: unknown *** Signer: Unknown, Key ID = 0x90270109 *** Signed: 10/26/00 4:20:39 PM *** Verified: 10/26/00 3:24:14 PM *** BEGIN PGP VERIFIED MESSAGE *** I would like to move forward and, given the interest, create a self-organized working group to draft the principles, mandate and goals statements for ca-registrars. Provided that the working group can arrive at a consensus as to what this is, it will forward the draft to the ca-registrars membership for ratification. If you are interested in participating, drop me an email and I will create a working group mailing list for this purpose. Thanks, -rwr Ross Wm. Rader Director Product Management, Channel Platform Group Tucows Inc. ross@tucows.com t. 416.535.0123 x335 f. 416.531.5584 "Embrace the cow, love the cow. And remember, Winsock means love." *** END PGP VERIFIED MESSAGE ***From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Ross Wm. Rader [ross@tucows.com] Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 1:51 PM To: Careg-Discuss@Egate. Net Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Working Group Proposal -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I would like to move forward and, given the interest, create a self-organized working group to draft the principles, mandate and goals statements for ca-registrars. Provided that the working group can arrive at a consensus as to what this is, it will forward the draft to the ca-registrars membership for ratification. If you are interested in participating, drop me an email and I will create a working group mailing list for this purpose. Thanks, - -rwr Ross Wm. Rader Director Product Management, Channel Platform Group Tucows Inc. ross@tucows.com t. 416.535.0123 x335 f. 416.531.5584 "Embrace the cow, love the cow. And remember, Winsock means love." -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.7 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOfh8/2+3tRWQJwEJEQJbgACePL2NbGnVNf6uPzWeJ40iOxvRABcAoIR9 u1/eQ+KzkZ+dffqLMzJOzPto =eyUU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Ross Wm. Rader [ross@tucows.com] Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 1:46 PM To: Careg-Discuss@Egate. Net Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] InternetNews - ISP News -- .ca Deadline Causes Online Crunch -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 http://www.internetnews.com/isp-news/article/0,,8_496231,00.html .ca Deadline Causes Online Crunch By Carol King As Canadian Web operators attempt to comply with a new .ca domain system, many are finding themselves unable to log on to the Web site for the Canadian Internet Registration Authority (CIRA). As of October 23, 2000, over 22,000 requests for re-registration of existing .ca domain names have been submitted to the CIRA Registry. There are about 100,000 domain names registered in the UBC registry. However, CIRA is aware of the problem and doing its best to appease registrants. "Two to three weeks ago we were getting several thousand emails a day from people who were reporting problems getting on the Web site or who had questions," he said. "Now, we are only getting about four or five from people who could not get on our Web site. For me, given the type of environment, this is quite normal." Those operators who are unable to meet the November 1 deadline will not lose their domain names, assured Bernard Turcot, CIRA's director operations. "Even if you don't re-register and your domain goes off-line, you will not lose the name. We will keep it for you," he said. The registration process is actually being conducted in two parts. - From November 1 to November 7, CIRA will only accept requests for registration in the CIRA registry of .ca domain names already registered in the University of British Columbia's (UBC) registry. "The new CIRA Registry is important to Canadians and we want to give those who currently have .ca domain names every opportunity to re-register before the anticipated flood of requests for new registrations," says Maureen Cubberley, chair, CIRA Board. The second phase, which starts on November 8, 2000, will enable those who meet the Canadian Presence Requirements to register new domain names in the .ca Registry. "Deferring the second phase by a few days will make the transition from the UBC system to the new CIRA Registry more orderly," says Glen Bloom, vice-chair, CIRA Board. "New applicants will not be disadvantaged by the phasing because the first phase will only permit the re-registration of domain names already in the UBC registry. In any event, existing names are protected against registration by someone other than the current registrant until January 31, 2001." The rules for registration changed on September 18. To obtain a .ca domain name, Web sites are no longer required to have a federally incorporated company. To re-register an existing .ca domain name or to request registration of a new name, it is necessary to retain a CIRA certified registrar. There are now about 40 certified registrars. The list of registrars and links to their sites are available at CIRA in the Registrant section. Brian McWilliams, host of InternetNews Radio, contributed to this article. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.7 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOfh7zW+3tRWQJwEJEQKU5ACeM2eWpbo96Jp67SXCh6FcqPsBzUEAoJkT herFZSoMP1vu8GoOqIKUu4cx =RPyp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Paul Andersen [paul@egate.net] Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 12:41 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Re: CDNNET They won't. Legal reasons. They don't trust us not to poach even though we are not allowed to poach or CIRA will terminate our agreement. *boggle at the trust/no trust relationship* p. On Thu, 26 Oct 2000, Tom Brown wrote: > On Thu, 26 Oct 2000, Martin Leclair wrote: > > > A lot of problems with cdnnet's web site.... the phone is ringing constently > > with people telling us that our forms does not work. Did you have feedback > > on what the problem is? Too mush requests? > > UBC whois seems to be running ok, but web requests are _very_ slow. > > has anyone contacted UBC about trying to get a compressed tarball put up > somewhere the registrars can get at it? > > -Tom > --- Paul Andersen (InterNIC:PA137) paul@egate.net E-Gate Communications Inc. T: +1 (416) 447-7700x23 "How many PIDs could a SIGHUP HUP if a SIGHUP could HUP PIDs?" From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Tom Brown [tbrown@baremetal.com] Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 12:41 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Re: CDNNET On Thu, 26 Oct 2000, Martin Leclair wrote: > A lot of problems with cdnnet's web site.... the phone is ringing constently > with people telling us that our forms does not work. Did you have feedback > on what the problem is? Too mush requests? UBC whois seems to be running ok, but web requests are _very_ slow. has anyone contacted UBC about trying to get a compressed tarball put up somewhere the registrars can get at it? -Tom From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Martin Leclair [leclair@webdepart.com] Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 12:12 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Re: CDNNET A lot of problems with cdnnet's web site.... the phone is ringing constently with people telling us that our forms does not work. Did you have feedback on what the problem is? Too mush requests? Martin Leclair [leclair@webdepart.com] Président et Éditeur -- Les Éditions WebDépart inc. ICQ : #3279314 Tel : +1 514-286-4242 #103 ____________________________________________________________________ Visitez WEBDÉPART, votre rendez-vous quotidien! http://www.webdepart.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walsh, Jordan" To: ; ; "Tim Denton" ; ; Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 9:44 PM Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] RE: Concerns over the Nov 1st deactivation date > Hello Barnard and Registrars, > > I strongly agree with the suggestion to delay the deactivation/transfer date > . Enforcing the Nov. 1 deadline, with so many customers not yet > re-registered, will result in a customer relations, public relations (and > possibly legal) nightmare for those involved. > > From our observations, terminating service on this date will result in the > following consequences; > > 1. Damage the reputation of CIRA and ALL Registrars: Up until a month ago > CIRA and .ca re-registration was all but unknown to customers. A bad > feeling will definitely result if our first formal action is de-activate 60% > of our current customers base. Domain Name registration is not a monopoly > and we should not be so arrogant to think our customer will not go > elsewhere. > > 2. Flood of activity on November 1: I would question the ability of any > registrar to adequately and efficiently respond to the mass flood of orders > and complaints that will result from service termination. The majority of > these customers are small to medium business that will have lost their email > access and will need it re-activated immediately. What type of turn around > time can we provide them and will it be acceptable... probably not. > > 3. Legal Liability: What type of consequence will CIRA and the Registrars > face from disrupting the daily communication / transactions of 60, 000 > Canadian businesses. Will we be subjecting ourselves to potential legal > issues due to loss of business? Is this the type of publicity we would like > to create and portray during our first attempt at making it "easier for > Canadians to obtain a .ca"? > > I hope all Registrars realize and are prepared to deal with these potential > issues if the November 1 deadline remains. > > Cheers, > Jordan > > ............................................................................ > ........................ > Jordan Walsh, B.Comm > eCommerce & Hosted Services, Aliant Telecom Inc. > > Phone Pager Cell Fax > 709.739.2097 709.778.5944 709.727.7444 902.484.3240 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bernard Turcotte [mailto:turcotte@canarie.ca] > Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 9:10 PM > To: cregistrar@opensrs.org; Tim Denton; cregistrar-list@cira.ca > Subject: FW: Concerns over the Nov 1st deactivation date > Importance: High > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Denis Tanguay, P.Eng. [mailto:denis@dowco.com] > Sent: October 25, 2000 6:49 PM > To: Bernard Turcotte > Cc: Deborah Jackel; cregistrar-list@cira.ca > Subject: Concerns over the Nov 1st deactivation date > Importance: High > > > Hello Bernard, > > Just attended a meeting with the BCIA regarding the .CA registration > process. I attended as a registrar, a BCIA member and a former director. > > A very good meeting in all, but there was a lot of concerns about the > transfer and deactivation date of Nov 1st. As of today, there is only about > 30% of the exisiting domain names transfered to CIRA. That would leave > about 70,000 name to transfer in the next 72 to 96 hours. We also have to > give time to the registrant to confirm the registration. That is virtually > impossible to do. > > I realize that CIRA has given many warinings, press releases, articles and > so on but the fact still is that 70% of the domain names are not > transferred. It will be a nightmare on Nov 1st for the whole Canadian > Internet Community. It think it will create an enormeous amount of press, > but not the positive kind. Also I would be concern about potential > litigation from the many registrant, especially the bigger businesses.. > > My suggestion: Keep the registry with UBC until you reach a 60 or 70% > transfer rate and hopefully that can be done by the end of Nov. > > It is not ideal but I think a little flexibility, assuming UBC is > able/willing to maintain their registry, will go along way for CIRA, the > Registrars and the whole Canadian Internet Community. > > My two cents. > > Sincerely, > > Denis > > Denis Tanguay, P.Eng. > President and Founder > ---------------------- > Digital Internet Gaming Services Ltd > A CIRA Certified .CA Domain Registrar > tel: 604.870-1193 - fax: 604.870.1088 > www.digs.ca or www.e-Tx.net > > From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Al Hicks [ahicks@neocomconsulting.com] Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 10:47 AM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] CDNNET Problems Paul, Same problems here......server and/or database timeouts or non accessibility Al CA Domains ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Andersen" To: Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 9:33 AM Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] CDNNET Problems > > Is anyone else noticing 'sep 18' like trouble with cdnnet? We're having > hit and miss quite a bit today. We are trying both whois and the http > regs-text method. > > p. > > > > --- > Paul Andersen (InterNIC:PA137) paul@egate.net > E-Gate Communications Inc. T: +1 (416) 447-7700x23 > > "How many PIDs could a SIGHUP HUP if a SIGHUP could HUP PIDs?" > From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Paul Andersen [paul@egate.net] Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 10:34 AM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] CDNNET Problems Is anyone else noticing 'sep 18' like trouble with cdnnet? We're having hit and miss quite a bit today. We are trying both whois and the http regs-text method. p. --- Paul Andersen (InterNIC:PA137) paul@egate.net E-Gate Communications Inc. T: +1 (416) 447-7700x23 "How many PIDs could a SIGHUP HUP if a SIGHUP could HUP PIDs?" From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Ross Wm. Rader [ross@tucows.com] Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 10:48 AM To: Careg-Discuss@Egate. Net Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Nov. 1 Deactivations & Membership -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I'm not sure that this has been adequately communicated or understood, but the controversial question that we voted on during the call was phrased somewhat like this... "That CIRA should preserve the existing Nov. 1/'00 OTD provided that they can a) guarantee full operational capabilities prior to that date and b) adequately communicate the importance of OTD to registrants prior to that date". While I understand and support the needs of individual registrars to communicate their position to CIRA directly on issues such as this, I feel that it is equally important that the positions that ca-registrars takes is accurately communicated and analysed. On a related note, I am also quite concerned with the impact of the implied conclusion that this group is not representative of all CIRA certified registrars, therefore it cannot be viewed as an determinant of consensus of the wishes of CIRA certified registrars. By my count, the bootstrap membership of ca-registrars currently includes roughly 14 or so self-selected companies. CIRA has certified roughly 60 or so registrars. Membership is ~20% of total. ICANN has accredited 160 or so registrars. DNSO Registrars constituency current has ~32 members. Membership is ~20% of total. The plain fact of the matter is that this group will never be truly reflective of all CIRA certified registrars any more than ISOC-C can be viewed as truly reflective of all Canadian Internet Users. It's a practical impossibility secured by the fact that not every cares about the political process. The same dynamic that puts the US voter turn-out at less than 20% is at work here - we must acknowledge that, ensure that our outreach program works well and move on. Do all CIRA certified registrars support a Nov. 1 OTD? No. Was ca-registrars unanimous in it's support of the Nov. 1 OTD? No. Do any of these facts diminish the democracy of the process, the import of ca-registrars or the value inherent in participating in this process? No. Thanks, - -rwr Ross Wm. Rader Director Product Management, Channel Platform Group Tucows Inc. ross@tucows.com t. 416.535.0123 x335 f. 416.531.5584 "Embrace the cow, love the cow. And remember, Winsock means love." -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.7 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOfhSHm+3tRWQJwEJEQJ9VQCgySWmCM/4CwlhWHmSq+CyLioLyCcAn0EP vgrEDwN/KQngMTyWS3Cl2kcn =9yQ+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Walsh, Jordan [Jordan.Walsh@aliant.ca] Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 8:45 PM To: 'turcotte@canarie.ca'; cregistrar@opensrs.org; Tim Denton; cregistrar-list@cira.ca; 'careg-discuss@egate.net' Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] RE: Concerns over the Nov 1st deactivation date Hello Barnard and Registrars, I strongly agree with the suggestion to delay the deactivation/transfer date . Enforcing the Nov. 1 deadline, with so many customers not yet re-registered, will result in a customer relations, public relations (and possibly legal) nightmare for those involved. >From our observations, terminating service on this date will result in the following consequences; 1. Damage the reputation of CIRA and ALL Registrars: Up until a month ago CIRA and .ca re-registration was all but unknown to customers. A bad feeling will definitely result if our first formal action is de-activate 60% of our current customers base. Domain Name registration is not a monopoly and we should not be so arrogant to think our customer will not go elsewhere. 2. Flood of activity on November 1: I would question the ability of any registrar to adequately and efficiently respond to the mass flood of orders and complaints that will result from service termination. The majority of these customers are small to medium business that will have lost their email access and will need it re-activated immediately. What type of turn around time can we provide them and will it be acceptable... probably not. 3. Legal Liability: What type of consequence will CIRA and the Registrars face from disrupting the daily communication / transactions of 60, 000 Canadian businesses. Will we be subjecting ourselves to potential legal issues due to loss of business? Is this the type of publicity we would like to create and portray during our first attempt at making it "easier for Canadians to obtain a .ca"? I hope all Registrars realize and are prepared to deal with these potential issues if the November 1 deadline remains. Cheers, Jordan ............................................................................ ........................ Jordan Walsh, B.Comm eCommerce & Hosted Services, Aliant Telecom Inc. Phone Pager Cell Fax 709.739.2097 709.778.5944 709.727.7444 902.484.3240 -----Original Message----- From: Bernard Turcotte [mailto:turcotte@canarie.ca] Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 9:10 PM To: cregistrar@opensrs.org; Tim Denton; cregistrar-list@cira.ca Subject: FW: Concerns over the Nov 1st deactivation date Importance: High -----Original Message----- From: Denis Tanguay, P.Eng. [mailto:denis@dowco.com] Sent: October 25, 2000 6:49 PM To: Bernard Turcotte Cc: Deborah Jackel; cregistrar-list@cira.ca Subject: Concerns over the Nov 1st deactivation date Importance: High Hello Bernard, Just attended a meeting with the BCIA regarding the .CA registration process. I attended as a registrar, a BCIA member and a former director. A very good meeting in all, but there was a lot of concerns about the transfer and deactivation date of Nov 1st. As of today, there is only about 30% of the exisiting domain names transfered to CIRA. That would leave about 70,000 name to transfer in the next 72 to 96 hours. We also have to give time to the registrant to confirm the registration. That is virtually impossible to do. I realize that CIRA has given many warinings, press releases, articles and so on but the fact still is that 70% of the domain names are not transferred. It will be a nightmare on Nov 1st for the whole Canadian Internet Community. It think it will create an enormeous amount of press, but not the positive kind. Also I would be concern about potential litigation from the many registrant, especially the bigger businesses.. My suggestion: Keep the registry with UBC until you reach a 60 or 70% transfer rate and hopefully that can be done by the end of Nov. It is not ideal but I think a little flexibility, assuming UBC is able/willing to maintain their registry, will go along way for CIRA, the Registrars and the whole Canadian Internet Community. My two cents. Sincerely, Denis Denis Tanguay, P.Eng. President and Founder ---------------------- Digital Internet Gaming Services Ltd A CIRA Certified .CA Domain Registrar tel: 604.870-1193 - fax: 604.870.1088 www.digs.ca or www.e-Tx.net From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Martin Leclair [leclair@webdepart.com] Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 12:09 AM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] RE: Concerns over the Nov 1st deactivation date >I tend to agree at some point you have to pull the plug. However the phone >effort is making a big effect from this side. That's true.. but I think Bernard told us that everyone should have been called by november 1st. >I would suggest that we may want to look at the daily totals of >registrations. If there is still signifigant daily flow it would make >sense to decide how many days that flow if likely to remain and how many >days it would be worth to wait, if any. Yes, if we could have some stats about this it would be great to help evaluate the situation. Martin. From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Paul Andersen [paul@egate.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 11:57 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] RE: Concerns over the Nov 1st deactivation date One of the arguments seems to be that it wont make a difference the longer we wait. I tend to agree at some point you have to pull the plug. However the phone effort is making a big effect from this side. I would suggest that we may want to look at the daily totals of registrations. If there is still signifigant daily flow it would make sense to decide how many days that flow if likely to remain and how many days it would be worth to wait, if any. p. On Thu, 26 Oct 2000, Martin Leclair wrote: > Mark, > > I agree with what you say.. but I think we will have to face the mess > someday and I prefer it to be november 1st than 2 weeks later. I don't think > that pushing the date 2 weeks later will stop wired or /. of calling the .CA > changes a mess or will help stop the flood that will happen on OTD date. Yes > OTD will be a mess, and it will still be a mess if it's 2 weeks later I > don't think it will change anything... if we start to push the date, we will > not stop pushing it because the situation will be almost the same in 2 weeks > and the same discussion will happen and people will want to push the date > again, and christmas will come and people will want to push the date not to > do it during hollidays and.....etc. The problem we have here is that there > has to be an OTD date, that domains that were not pre-registered will stop > responding and that the new registrations are stucked if OTD is delayed. > That's the way CIRA decided they should do it ..... It could have been done > differently to prevent this problem from happening but it wasn't. > > That's why I say we have to do it on november 1st. If you can convince me > that 2 weeks will make a difference or that something will be made to make a > difference... I would change my mind. I currently don't think it will. > > > Martin Leclair [leclair@webdepart.com] > VP Développement et technologies -- Groupe iWeb > > ICQ : #3279314 > Tel : +1 514-286-4242 #103 > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > Visitez WEBDÉPART, votre rendez-vous quotidien! > http://www.webdepart.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Jeftovic" > To: ; ; > ; "Tim Denton" ; > ; > Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 2:50 AM > Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] RE: Concerns over the Nov 1st deactivation date > > > > > > We've always been in favour of pushing back the November 1st OTD. At the > > inaugural ca-regsitrars meeting of 10/13, there seemed to be consensus > > on that, yet on the conference call the vote went the other way. > > > > Not that either represented the majority of registrars anyway, as there > > are apparently now close to 60 (published and unpublished) and neither > > the meeting or the call came anywhere close to that number. > > > > I think every single one of us knows that cutting it over on November 1 > > will make for One Big Mess, so those who are in favour of keeping the OTD > > there must want the fit to hit the shan for one reason or another. > > > > If it's simply profit, the faster everyone cuts over, the faster we pull > > in all the business and keeping the OTD on 11/01 lights a fire under > > everyone's butt, then my response is that we'll all get the business > > anyways. What difference does it make if it happens in the first or > > second week? > > > > At the end of the day, namely, Nov 1, .CA will be the laughing stock > > of the Internet. They'll be talking about it on /. for months and the > > Wired news lead-off story will be along the lines of > > > > "Take off .CA? .Net infrastructure crumbles in the Great White North" > > > > Everything CIRA has ever put out about the OTD has said "On or about Nov > 1". > > There is no loss of face whatsoever in moving it (as someone intimated on > > the call) and there are all kinds of options available in postponment > > that would alleviate any perceived disadvantage of those who took the > > trouble to migrate on time (i.e. late fees, etc) > > > > Cutting the net community at large some slack can't be seen in near as > > badly a light as doing this on Nov 1. Also keep in mind, we (the > registrars) > > are the ones who are going to be "the first up against the wall" when > > 50,000+ domains get unplugged next week. > > > > -mark > > > > At 10:44 PM 10/25/00 -0300, Walsh, Jordan wrote: > > >Hello Barnard and Registrars, > > > > > >I strongly agree with the suggestion to delay the deactivation/transfer > date > > >. Enforcing the Nov. 1 deadline, with so many customers not yet > > >re-registered, will result in a customer relations, public relations (and > > >possibly legal) nightmare for those involved. > > > > > >>From our observations, terminating service on this date will result in > the > > >following consequences; > > > > > >1. Damage the reputation of CIRA and ALL Registrars: Up until a month > ago > > >CIRA and .ca re-registration was all but unknown to customers. A bad > > >feeling will definitely result if our first formal action is de-activate > 60% > > >of our current customers base. Domain Name registration is not a > monopoly > > >and we should not be so arrogant to think our customer will not go > > >elsewhere. > > > > > >2. Flood of activity on November 1: I would question the ability of any > > >registrar to adequately and efficiently respond to the mass flood of > orders > > >and complaints that will result from service termination. The majority > of > > >these customers are small to medium business that will have lost their > email > > >access and will need it re-activated immediately. What type of turn > around > > >time can we provide them and will it be acceptable... probably not. > > > > > >3. Legal Liability: What type of consequence will CIRA and the > Registrars > > >face from disrupting the daily communication / transactions of 60, 000 > > >Canadian businesses. Will we be subjecting ourselves to potential legal > > >issues due to loss of business? Is this the type of publicity we would > like > > >to create and portray during our first attempt at making it "easier for > > >Canadians to obtain a .ca"? > > > > > >I hope all Registrars realize and are prepared to deal with these > potential > > >issues if the November 1 deadline remains. > > > > > >Cheers, > > >Jordan > > > > > > >........................................................................... > . > > >........................ > > >Jordan Walsh, B.Comm > > >eCommerce & Hosted Services, Aliant Telecom Inc. > > > > > >Phone Pager Cell Fax > > >709.739.2097 709.778.5944 709.727.7444 902.484.3240 > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > >From: Bernard Turcotte [mailto:turcotte@canarie.ca] > > >Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 9:10 PM > > >To: cregistrar@opensrs.org; Tim Denton; cregistrar-list@cira.ca > > >Subject: FW: Concerns over the Nov 1st deactivation date > > >Importance: High > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Denis Tanguay, P.Eng. [mailto:denis@dowco.com] > > >Sent: October 25, 2000 6:49 PM > > >To: Bernard Turcotte > > >Cc: Deborah Jackel; cregistrar-list@cira.ca > > >Subject: Concerns over the Nov 1st deactivation date > > >Importance: High > > > > > > > > >Hello Bernard, > > > > > >Just attended a meeting with the BCIA regarding the .CA registration > > >process. I attended as a registrar, a BCIA member and a former director. > > > > > >A very good meeting in all, but there was a lot of concerns about the > > >transfer and deactivation date of Nov 1st. As of today, there is only > about > > >30% of the exisiting domain names transfered to CIRA. That would leave > > >about 70,000 name to transfer in the next 72 to 96 hours. We also have > to > > >give time to the registrant to confirm the registration. That is > virtually > > >impossible to do. > > > > > >I realize that CIRA has given many warinings, press releases, articles > and > > >so on but the fact still is that 70% of the domain names are not > > >transferred. It will be a nightmare on Nov 1st for the whole Canadian > > >Internet Community. It think it will create an enormeous amount of > press, > > >but not the positive kind. Also I would be concern about potential > > >litigation from the many registrant, especially the bigger businesses.. > > > > > >My suggestion: Keep the registry with UBC until you reach a 60 or 70% > > >transfer rate and hopefully that can be done by the end of Nov. > > > > > >It is not ideal but I think a little flexibility, assuming UBC is > > >able/willing to maintain their registry, will go along way for CIRA, the > > >Registrars and the whole Canadian Internet Community. > > > > > >My two cents. > > > > > >Sincerely, > > > > > >Denis > > > > > >Denis Tanguay, P.Eng. > > >President and Founder > > >---------------------- > > >Digital Internet Gaming Services Ltd > > >A CIRA Certified .CA Domain Registrar > > >tel: 604.870-1193 - fax: 604.870.1088 > > >www.digs.ca or www.e-Tx.net > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > Mark Jeftovic, > > easyDNS Technologies Inc. http://www.easyDNS.com/ > > > > > --- Paul Andersen (InterNIC:PA137) paul@egate.net E-Gate Communications Inc. T: +1 (416) 447-7700x23 "How many PIDs could a SIGHUP HUP if a SIGHUP could HUP PIDs?" From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Martin Leclair [leclair@webdepart.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 11:45 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] RE: Concerns over the Nov 1st deactivation date Mark, I agree with what you say.. but I think we will have to face the mess someday and I prefer it to be november 1st than 2 weeks later. I don't think that pushing the date 2 weeks later will stop wired or /. of calling the .CA changes a mess or will help stop the flood that will happen on OTD date. Yes OTD will be a mess, and it will still be a mess if it's 2 weeks later I don't think it will change anything... if we start to push the date, we will not stop pushing it because the situation will be almost the same in 2 weeks and the same discussion will happen and people will want to push the date again, and christmas will come and people will want to push the date not to do it during hollidays and.....etc. The problem we have here is that there has to be an OTD date, that domains that were not pre-registered will stop responding and that the new registrations are stucked if OTD is delayed. That's the way CIRA decided they should do it ..... It could have been done differently to prevent this problem from happening but it wasn't. That's why I say we have to do it on november 1st. If you can convince me that 2 weeks will make a difference or that something will be made to make a difference... I would change my mind. I currently don't think it will. Martin Leclair [leclair@webdepart.com] VP Développement et technologies -- Groupe iWeb ICQ : #3279314 Tel : +1 514-286-4242 #103 ____________________________________________________________________ Visitez WEBDÉPART, votre rendez-vous quotidien! http://www.webdepart.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jeftovic" To: ; ; ; "Tim Denton" ; ; Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 2:50 AM Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] RE: Concerns over the Nov 1st deactivation date > > We've always been in favour of pushing back the November 1st OTD. At the > inaugural ca-regsitrars meeting of 10/13, there seemed to be consensus > on that, yet on the conference call the vote went the other way. > > Not that either represented the majority of registrars anyway, as there > are apparently now close to 60 (published and unpublished) and neither > the meeting or the call came anywhere close to that number. > > I think every single one of us knows that cutting it over on November 1 > will make for One Big Mess, so those who are in favour of keeping the OTD > there must want the fit to hit the shan for one reason or another. > > If it's simply profit, the faster everyone cuts over, the faster we pull > in all the business and keeping the OTD on 11/01 lights a fire under > everyone's butt, then my response is that we'll all get the business > anyways. What difference does it make if it happens in the first or > second week? > > At the end of the day, namely, Nov 1, .CA will be the laughing stock > of the Internet. They'll be talking about it on /. for months and the > Wired news lead-off story will be along the lines of > > "Take off .CA? .Net infrastructure crumbles in the Great White North" > > Everything CIRA has ever put out about the OTD has said "On or about Nov 1". > There is no loss of face whatsoever in moving it (as someone intimated on > the call) and there are all kinds of options available in postponment > that would alleviate any perceived disadvantage of those who took the > trouble to migrate on time (i.e. late fees, etc) > > Cutting the net community at large some slack can't be seen in near as > badly a light as doing this on Nov 1. Also keep in mind, we (the registrars) > are the ones who are going to be "the first up against the wall" when > 50,000+ domains get unplugged next week. > > -mark > > At 10:44 PM 10/25/00 -0300, Walsh, Jordan wrote: > >Hello Barnard and Registrars, > > > >I strongly agree with the suggestion to delay the deactivation/transfer date > >. Enforcing the Nov. 1 deadline, with so many customers not yet > >re-registered, will result in a customer relations, public relations (and > >possibly legal) nightmare for those involved. > > > >>From our observations, terminating service on this date will result in the > >following consequences; > > > >1. Damage the reputation of CIRA and ALL Registrars: Up until a month ago > >CIRA and .ca re-registration was all but unknown to customers. A bad > >feeling will definitely result if our first formal action is de-activate 60% > >of our current customers base. Domain Name registration is not a monopoly > >and we should not be so arrogant to think our customer will not go > >elsewhere. > > > >2. Flood of activity on November 1: I would question the ability of any > >registrar to adequately and efficiently respond to the mass flood of orders > >and complaints that will result from service termination. The majority of > >these customers are small to medium business that will have lost their email > >access and will need it re-activated immediately. What type of turn around > >time can we provide them and will it be acceptable... probably not. > > > >3. Legal Liability: What type of consequence will CIRA and the Registrars > >face from disrupting the daily communication / transactions of 60, 000 > >Canadian businesses. Will we be subjecting ourselves to potential legal > >issues due to loss of business? Is this the type of publicity we would like > >to create and portray during our first attempt at making it "easier for > >Canadians to obtain a .ca"? > > > >I hope all Registrars realize and are prepared to deal with these potential > >issues if the November 1 deadline remains. > > > >Cheers, > >Jordan > > > >........................................................................... . > >........................ > >Jordan Walsh, B.Comm > >eCommerce & Hosted Services, Aliant Telecom Inc. > > > >Phone Pager Cell Fax > >709.739.2097 709.778.5944 709.727.7444 902.484.3240 > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Bernard Turcotte [mailto:turcotte@canarie.ca] > >Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 9:10 PM > >To: cregistrar@opensrs.org; Tim Denton; cregistrar-list@cira.ca > >Subject: FW: Concerns over the Nov 1st deactivation date > >Importance: High > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Denis Tanguay, P.Eng. [mailto:denis@dowco.com] > >Sent: October 25, 2000 6:49 PM > >To: Bernard Turcotte > >Cc: Deborah Jackel; cregistrar-list@cira.ca > >Subject: Concerns over the Nov 1st deactivation date > >Importance: High > > > > > >Hello Bernard, > > > >Just attended a meeting with the BCIA regarding the .CA registration > >process. I attended as a registrar, a BCIA member and a former director. > > > >A very good meeting in all, but there was a lot of concerns about the > >transfer and deactivation date of Nov 1st. As of today, there is only about > >30% of the exisiting domain names transfered to CIRA. That would leave > >about 70,000 name to transfer in the next 72 to 96 hours. We also have to > >give time to the registrant to confirm the registration. That is virtually > >impossible to do. > > > >I realize that CIRA has given many warinings, press releases, articles and > >so on but the fact still is that 70% of the domain names are not > >transferred. It will be a nightmare on Nov 1st for the whole Canadian > >Internet Community. It think it will create an enormeous amount of press, > >but not the positive kind. Also I would be concern about potential > >litigation from the many registrant, especially the bigger businesses.. > > > >My suggestion: Keep the registry with UBC until you reach a 60 or 70% > >transfer rate and hopefully that can be done by the end of Nov. > > > >It is not ideal but I think a little flexibility, assuming UBC is > >able/willing to maintain their registry, will go along way for CIRA, the > >Registrars and the whole Canadian Internet Community. > > > >My two cents. > > > >Sincerely, > > > >Denis > > > >Denis Tanguay, P.Eng. > >President and Founder > >---------------------- > >Digital Internet Gaming Services Ltd > >A CIRA Certified .CA Domain Registrar > >tel: 604.870-1193 - fax: 604.870.1088 > >www.digs.ca or www.e-Tx.net > > > > > > ---- > Mark Jeftovic, > easyDNS Technologies Inc. http://www.easyDNS.com/ > > From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Mark Jeftovic [markjr@easydns.com] Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 1:50 AM To: careg-discuss@egate.net; 'turcotte@canarie.ca'; cregistrar@opensrs.org; Tim Denton; cregistrar-list@cira.ca; 'careg-discuss@egate.net' Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] RE: Concerns over the Nov 1st deactivation date We've always been in favour of pushing back the November 1st OTD. At the inaugural ca-regsitrars meeting of 10/13, there seemed to be consensus on that, yet on the conference call the vote went the other way. Not that either represented the majority of registrars anyway, as there are apparently now close to 60 (published and unpublished) and neither the meeting or the call came anywhere close to that number. I think every single one of us knows that cutting it over on November 1 will make for One Big Mess, so those who are in favour of keeping the OTD there must want the fit to hit the shan for one reason or another. If it's simply profit, the faster everyone cuts over, the faster we pull in all the business and keeping the OTD on 11/01 lights a fire under everyone's butt, then my response is that we'll all get the business anyways. What difference does it make if it happens in the first or second week? At the end of the day, namely, Nov 1, .CA will be the laughing stock of the Internet. They'll be talking about it on /. for months and the Wired news lead-off story will be along the lines of "Take off .CA? .Net infrastructure crumbles in the Great White North" Everything CIRA has ever put out about the OTD has said "On or about Nov 1". There is no loss of face whatsoever in moving it (as someone intimated on the call) and there are all kinds of options available in postponment that would alleviate any perceived disadvantage of those who took the trouble to migrate on time (i.e. late fees, etc) Cutting the net community at large some slack can't be seen in near as badly a light as doing this on Nov 1. Also keep in mind, we (the registrars) are the ones who are going to be "the first up against the wall" when 50,000+ domains get unplugged next week. -mark At 10:44 PM 10/25/00 -0300, Walsh, Jordan wrote: >Hello Barnard and Registrars, > >I strongly agree with the suggestion to delay the deactivation/transfer date >. Enforcing the Nov. 1 deadline, with so many customers not yet >re-registered, will result in a customer relations, public relations (and >possibly legal) nightmare for those involved. > >>From our observations, terminating service on this date will result in the >following consequences; > >1. Damage the reputation of CIRA and ALL Registrars: Up until a month ago >CIRA and .ca re-registration was all but unknown to customers. A bad >feeling will definitely result if our first formal action is de-activate 60% >of our current customers base. Domain Name registration is not a monopoly >and we should not be so arrogant to think our customer will not go >elsewhere. > >2. Flood of activity on November 1: I would question the ability of any >registrar to adequately and efficiently respond to the mass flood of orders >and complaints that will result from service termination. The majority of >these customers are small to medium business that will have lost their email >access and will need it re-activated immediately. What type of turn around >time can we provide them and will it be acceptable... probably not. > >3. Legal Liability: What type of consequence will CIRA and the Registrars >face from disrupting the daily communication / transactions of 60, 000 >Canadian businesses. Will we be subjecting ourselves to potential legal >issues due to loss of business? Is this the type of publicity we would like >to create and portray during our first attempt at making it "easier for >Canadians to obtain a .ca"? > >I hope all Registrars realize and are prepared to deal with these potential >issues if the November 1 deadline remains. > >Cheers, >Jordan > >............................................................................ >........................ >Jordan Walsh, B.Comm >eCommerce & Hosted Services, Aliant Telecom Inc. > >Phone Pager Cell Fax >709.739.2097 709.778.5944 709.727.7444 902.484.3240 > > > > -----Original Message----- >From: Bernard Turcotte [mailto:turcotte@canarie.ca] >Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 9:10 PM >To: cregistrar@opensrs.org; Tim Denton; cregistrar-list@cira.ca >Subject: FW: Concerns over the Nov 1st deactivation date >Importance: High > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Denis Tanguay, P.Eng. [mailto:denis@dowco.com] >Sent: October 25, 2000 6:49 PM >To: Bernard Turcotte >Cc: Deborah Jackel; cregistrar-list@cira.ca >Subject: Concerns over the Nov 1st deactivation date >Importance: High > > >Hello Bernard, > >Just attended a meeting with the BCIA regarding the .CA registration >process. I attended as a registrar, a BCIA member and a former director. > >A very good meeting in all, but there was a lot of concerns about the >transfer and deactivation date of Nov 1st. As of today, there is only about >30% of the exisiting domain names transfered to CIRA. That would leave >about 70,000 name to transfer in the next 72 to 96 hours. We also have to >give time to the registrant to confirm the registration. That is virtually >impossible to do. > >I realize that CIRA has given many warinings, press releases, articles and >so on but the fact still is that 70% of the domain names are not >transferred. It will be a nightmare on Nov 1st for the whole Canadian >Internet Community. It think it will create an enormeous amount of press, >but not the positive kind. Also I would be concern about potential >litigation from the many registrant, especially the bigger businesses.. > >My suggestion: Keep the registry with UBC until you reach a 60 or 70% >transfer rate and hopefully that can be done by the end of Nov. > >It is not ideal but I think a little flexibility, assuming UBC is >able/willing to maintain their registry, will go along way for CIRA, the >Registrars and the whole Canadian Internet Community. > >My two cents. > >Sincerely, > >Denis > >Denis Tanguay, P.Eng. >President and Founder >---------------------- >Digital Internet Gaming Services Ltd >A CIRA Certified .CA Domain Registrar >tel: 604.870-1193 - fax: 604.870.1088 >www.digs.ca or www.e-Tx.net > > ---- Mark Jeftovic, easyDNS Technologies Inc. http://www.easyDNS.com/ From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Walsh, Jordan [Jordan.Walsh@aliant.ca] Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 8:45 PM To: 'turcotte@canarie.ca'; cregistrar@opensrs.org; Tim Denton; cregistrar-list@cira.ca; 'careg-discuss@egate.net' Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] RE: Concerns over the Nov 1st deactivation date Hello Barnard and Registrars, I strongly agree with the suggestion to delay the deactivation/transfer date . Enforcing the Nov. 1 deadline, with so many customers not yet re-registered, will result in a customer relations, public relations (and possibly legal) nightmare for those involved. >From our observations, terminating service on this date will result in the following consequences; 1. Damage the reputation of CIRA and ALL Registrars: Up until a month ago CIRA and .ca re-registration was all but unknown to customers. A bad feeling will definitely result if our first formal action is de-activate 60% of our current customers base. Domain Name registration is not a monopoly and we should not be so arrogant to think our customer will not go elsewhere. 2. Flood of activity on November 1: I would question the ability of any registrar to adequately and efficiently respond to the mass flood of orders and complaints that will result from service termination. The majority of these customers are small to medium business that will have lost their email access and will need it re-activated immediately. What type of turn around time can we provide them and will it be acceptable... probably not. 3. Legal Liability: What type of consequence will CIRA and the Registrars face from disrupting the daily communication / transactions of 60, 000 Canadian businesses. Will we be subjecting ourselves to potential legal issues due to loss of business? Is this the type of publicity we would like to create and portray during our first attempt at making it "easier for Canadians to obtain a .ca"? I hope all Registrars realize and are prepared to deal with these potential issues if the November 1 deadline remains. Cheers, Jordan ............................................................................ ........................ Jordan Walsh, B.Comm eCommerce & Hosted Services, Aliant Telecom Inc. Phone Pager Cell Fax 709.739.2097 709.778.5944 709.727.7444 902.484.3240 -----Original Message----- From: Bernard Turcotte [mailto:turcotte@canarie.ca] Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 9:10 PM To: cregistrar@opensrs.org; Tim Denton; cregistrar-list@cira.ca Subject: FW: Concerns over the Nov 1st deactivation date Importance: High -----Original Message----- From: Denis Tanguay, P.Eng. [mailto:denis@dowco.com] Sent: October 25, 2000 6:49 PM To: Bernard Turcotte Cc: Deborah Jackel; cregistrar-list@cira.ca Subject: Concerns over the Nov 1st deactivation date Importance: High Hello Bernard, Just attended a meeting with the BCIA regarding the .CA registration process. I attended as a registrar, a BCIA member and a former director. A very good meeting in all, but there was a lot of concerns about the transfer and deactivation date of Nov 1st. As of today, there is only about 30% of the exisiting domain names transfered to CIRA. That would leave about 70,000 name to transfer in the next 72 to 96 hours. We also have to give time to the registrant to confirm the registration. That is virtually impossible to do. I realize that CIRA has given many warinings, press releases, articles and so on but the fact still is that 70% of the domain names are not transferred. It will be a nightmare on Nov 1st for the whole Canadian Internet Community. It think it will create an enormeous amount of press, but not the positive kind. Also I would be concern about potential litigation from the many registrant, especially the bigger businesses.. My suggestion: Keep the registry with UBC until you reach a 60 or 70% transfer rate and hopefully that can be done by the end of Nov. It is not ideal but I think a little flexibility, assuming UBC is able/willing to maintain their registry, will go along way for CIRA, the Registrars and the whole Canadian Internet Community. My two cents. Sincerely, Denis Denis Tanguay, P.Eng. President and Founder ---------------------- Digital Internet Gaming Services Ltd A CIRA Certified .CA Domain Registrar tel: 604.870-1193 - fax: 604.870.1088 www.digs.ca or www.e-Tx.net From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Ross Wm. Rader [ross@tucows.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 6:13 PM To: turcotte@canarie.ca Cc: Careg-Discuss@Egate. Net Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] RE: CIRA Registrar Advisory - Priority = High - Decision of the Registrar's group -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Bernard, To clarify, were the specific legal recommendations contained in the email? This is a very important issues for ca-registrars and completely understanding CIRA's position will greatly assist us in shaping our thinking on this matter. < As per these recommendations we have implemented the legal framework to < undertake most of these recommendations except for allowing registrars to < change the admin email contact which went against formal legal advice < (documents you received via email yesterday). - -rwr -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.7 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOfdo4m+3tRWQJwEJEQJC6wCfROqqRhpQj5C1AGJE6Fp5uPiDQs8AnAgm 7LjKvBWeGdzxt0mAYch10bUp =+U7N -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Timothy M. Denton [tmdenton@magma.ca] Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 6:29 PM To: turcotte@canarie.ca Cc: Careg-Discuss Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] ca-Registrars' participation Bernie: As you are aware, the careg-discuss list is the list to which the invitation to vote was sent. Registrars need to identify themselves and take action (by getting in touch with the list serve [Paul@egate.com]) in order to vote. All CIRA-accredited registrars are entitled to join, participate and vote. For a group that self-organized on October 13, we have managed to settle a number of important issues quickly, especially related to the CIRA take-over period beginning, it now has been decided, on November 1. A larger participating group is both desirable and welcome, and to this end I would now publicly affirm my previous oral request, which you have agreed to, that you make available the contact names, emails and phone numbers of CIRA-accredited registrars. I also require that you copy me on all messages sent to the CIRA-accredited registrars, so that I will receive notices at the same time as registrars. Thank you for your cooperation in this, as always. Timothy Denton Interim Coordinator .ca-registrars tmdenton@magma.ca www.tmdenton.com 613-789-5397 -----Original Message----- From: Bernard Turcotte [mailto:turcotte@canarie.ca] Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 10:09 AM To: Timothy M. Denton Subject: RE: Vote results Interesting please provide the list this was sent to. Thanks Bernard > -----Original Message----- > From: Timothy M. Denton [mailto:tmdenton@magma.ca] > Sent: October 25, 2000 3:45 PM > To: Careg-Discuss > Cc: Bernard Turcotte > Subject: Vote results > > > This was the process outlined before: > 1. Close of Nominations 6pm > Monday October 23 > 2. Candidates signify whether they wish to stand for election (phone or > email between me and them). > 3. Email to list, stating names and qualifications for the task > > after 6pm Ocotber 23 > > 4. Voting begins after candidate email has been issued > after 6pm Monday October 23 one vote per registrar > > 5. Voting closes > noon Wednesday October 25 > 6. results announced after noon > on Wednesday > October 25 > > > As it is now past noon on Wednesday October 25, the vote is closed. > > I have recorded the following votes > > for Mark Jeftovic - 5 votes registered > Mesut Turkoglu/Sibername > André Lepage - riq.qc.ca > Tom Brown / Baremetal.com > Eric Beck / Canadian DNS > Paul Andersen / Egate Communications Inc > > For Ross Rader - 9 votes registered > > Erin Weatherall - hostmaster.ca > Stephanie Fewster - cvo.ca > Bill Wiest - Aloak > Edward Twardus - Energetex > Al Davis - Look Communications > Rob Hall - Internic.ca > Ian MacEachern - Domains at Cost > Chris Kruk - Domain People > Ross Rader - Tucows > > Please inform me if there are any errors in this list. Errors would be > failing to record a vote given to me or to the list before noon today. > > The person selected would be presented to the Board of CIRA as > the proposed > representative of the Canadian registars association. > > Whether and how that person would actually be appointed to the > Board of CIRA > is a mystery for CIRA to solve. It is not in the registrars' control. > Timothy Denton > Interim Coordinator > .ca-registrars > tmdenton@magma.ca > www.tmdenton.com > 613-789-5397 > > From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Mark Jeftovic [markjr@easydns.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 2:48 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] FW: dns errors now rejects I am now starting to get application rejected messages from CIRA on domains that were afflicted by the nameserver mismatch errors. -mark ---------------------------------- Mark Jeftovic http://www.easydns.com/ http://mark.jeftovic.net/ ----------------------------------From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Bruno Dumaine [bruno.dumaine@risq.qc.ca] Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 1:55 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] suddenly getting hostname mismatches? We've already experienced such problem. We sent a E-mail at B.Turcotte ... and we're still waiting the answer ! We did not managed to resolve this and the client is still on the hold. Bruno Tom Brown a écrit : > > I'll try this here since the last request I sent to bernard didn't get a > response (well, maybe it did, since he shortly thereafter sent out a > message regarding city level domains, but it didn't fix the problem) ... > > We're suddenly getting > > > 01234 > Domain first host name does not match UBC info. > > > 01236 > Domain second host name does not match UBC > info. > > > messages back... for records that were parsed directly from the UBC whois > record seconds earlyer... > > the above is from cardlaw.bc.ca, the response contains our input, and > seems to match UBC... > > > 139.142.2.2 > ns.cg.sfl.net > > 209.135.99.2 > ns.mt.sfl.net > > even pulling out the IP addresses doesn't help... same thing... > > > > ns.cg.sfl.net > > > ns.mt.sfl.net > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > tbrown@BareMetal.com | Ours is a world where people don't know what they > http://BareMetal.com/ | want and are willing to go through hell to get it. > | - Don Marquis -- Bruno Dumaine, ing. Directeur des services / Services Manager mailto:bruno.dumaine@risq.qc.ca http://www.risq.qc.ca _____________________________________________________________________ T: 514-845-7181 # 228 Réseau d'Informations Scientifiques du Québec F: 514-845-8083 550, Sherbrooke ouest, Tour Ouest, bureau 250 Montréal (Québec) Canada H3A 1B9From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Mark Jeftovic [markjr@easydns.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 1:57 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: RE: [CAREG-DISCUSS] suddenly getting hostname mismatches? I thought it was my imagination, because the last few we put in got the same errors, I was waiting to see if it kept happening in the next few. -mark On 25-Oct-2000 Tom Brown wrote: > > I'll try this here since the last request I sent to bernard didn't get a > response (well, maybe it did, since he shortly thereafter sent out a > message regarding city level domains, but it didn't fix the problem) ... > > We're suddenly getting > > > 01234 > Domain first host name does not match UBC info. > > > 01236 > Domain second host name does not match UBC > info. > > > messages back... for records that were parsed directly from the UBC whois > record seconds earlyer... > > the above is from cardlaw.bc.ca, the response contains our input, and > seems to match UBC... > > > 139.142.2.2 > ns.cg.sfl.net > > 209.135.99.2 > ns.mt.sfl.net > > even pulling out the IP addresses doesn't help... same thing... > > > > ns.cg.sfl.net > > > ns.mt.sfl.net > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > tbrown@BareMetal.com | Ours is a world where people don't know what they > http://BareMetal.com/ | want and are willing to go through hell to get it. > | - Don Marquis ---------------------------------- Mark Jeftovic http://www.easydns.com/ http://mark.jeftovic.net/ ----------------------------------From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Tom Brown [tbrown@baremetal.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 1:53 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: RE: [CAREG-DISCUSS] suddenly getting hostname mismatches? I'll try this here since the last request I sent to bernard didn't get a response (well, maybe it did, since he shortly thereafter sent out a message regarding city level domains, but it didn't fix the problem) ... We're suddenly getting 01234 Domain first host name does not match UBC info. 01236 Domain second host name does not match UBC info. messages back... for records that were parsed directly from the UBC whois record seconds earlyer... the above is from cardlaw.bc.ca, the response contains our input, and seems to match UBC... 139.142.2.2 ns.cg.sfl.net 209.135.99.2 ns.mt.sfl.net even pulling out the IP addresses doesn't help... same thing... ns.cg.sfl.net ns.mt.sfl.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- tbrown@BareMetal.com | Ours is a world where people don't know what they http://BareMetal.com/ | want and are willing to go through hell to get it. | - Don Marquis From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Ross Wm. Rader [ross@tucows.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 2:50 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: RE: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Vote results again -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 And equal thanks from myself to everyone for participating in this process. I do want to say that if the current conduct and efficiency of this group is a portent of things to come, we have a lot to look forward to. For example, I could not believe yesterday that we actually worked through the agenda in the time alloted and then had the fortitude to press on with other new matters. No other registrars group that I have been associated with has come close to this level of coordination. "Though we may live in interesting times, we still have a lot of work to do..." -JP < -----Original Message----- < From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net < [mailto:owner-careg-discuss@egate.net]On Behalf Of Mark Jeftovic < Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 12:05 PM < To: careg-discuss@egate.net < Subject: RE: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Vote results again < < < < < Congratulations Ross and thanks to all who voted for me. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.7 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOfc5O2+3tRWQJwEJEQLQdwCeL2sq2bzbKRzdd8UkVW65z+xnrfoAoLsz MaOiXIM8vW5J8R3MLXjhbbjK =aHNr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Mark Jeftovic [markjr@easydns.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 12:05 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: RE: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Vote results again Congratulations Ross and thanks to all who voted for me. With voting out of the way, the number one concern on my mind right now is how to handle the unplugged registrants when the OTD hits, so hopefully we will see some word from CIRA on this soon and that we as a group can act on it in a coherent manner. -mark On 25-Oct-2000 Timothy M. Denton wrote: > I shall add Mark Jeftovic's late for himself, which does not change the > result. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net > [mailto:owner-careg-discuss@egate.net]On Behalf Of Timothy M. Denton > Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 12:45 PM > To: Careg-Discuss > Cc: Bernard Turcotte > Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Vote results > > > This was the process outlined before: > 1. Close of Nominations 6pm Monday Octob er 23 > 2. Candidates signify whether they wish to stand for election (phone or > email between me and them). > 3. Email to list, stating names and qualifications for the task > after 6pm Ocotbe r 23 > > 4. Voting begins after candidate email has been issued > after 6pm Monday October 23 one vote per registrar > > 5. Voting closes noon Wednesday O ctober 25 > 6. results announced after noon on Wednesday October 25 > > > As it is now past noon on Wednesday October 25, the vote is closed. > > I have recorded the following votes > > for Mark Jeftovic - 6 votes registered > Mesut Turkoglu/Sibername > André Lepage - riq.qc.ca > Tom Brown / Baremetal.com > Eric Beck / Canadian DNS > Paul Andersen / Egate Communications Inc > Mark Jeftovic / Easy DNS > > For Ross Rader - 9 votes registered > > Erin Weatherall - hostmaster.ca > Stephanie Fewster - cvo.ca > Bill Wiest - Aloak > Edward Twardus - Energetex > Al Davis - Look Communications > Rob Hall - Internic.ca > Ian MacEachern - Domains at Cost > Chris Kruk - Domain People > Ross Rader - Tucows > > Please inform me if there are any errors in this list. Errors would be > failing to record a vote given to me or to the list before noon today. > > The person selected would be presented to the Board of CIRA as the proposed > representative of the Canadian registars association. > > Whether and how that person would actually be appointed to the Board of CIRA > is a mystery for CIRA to solve. It is not in the registrars' control. > Timothy Denton > Interim Coordinator > .ca-registrars > tmdenton@magma.ca > www.tmdenton.com > 613-789-5397 ---------------------------------- Mark Jeftovic http://www.easydns.com/ http://mark.jeftovic.net/ ----------------------------------From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Timothy M. Denton [tmdenton@magma.ca] Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 2:54 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: RE: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Vote results again I shall add Mark Jeftovic's late for himself, which does not change the result. -----Original Message----- From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net [mailto:owner-careg-discuss@egate.net]On Behalf Of Timothy M. Denton Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 12:45 PM To: Careg-Discuss Cc: Bernard Turcotte Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Vote results This was the process outlined before: 1. Close of Nominations 6pm Monday October 23 2. Candidates signify whether they wish to stand for election (phone or email between me and them). 3. Email to list, stating names and qualifications for the task after 6pm Ocotber 23 4. Voting begins after candidate email has been issued after 6pm Monday October 23 one vote per registrar 5. Voting closes noon Wednesday October 25 6. results announced after noon on Wednesday October 25 As it is now past noon on Wednesday October 25, the vote is closed. I have recorded the following votes for Mark Jeftovic - 6 votes registered Mesut Turkoglu/Sibername André Lepage - riq.qc.ca Tom Brown / Baremetal.com Eric Beck / Canadian DNS Paul Andersen / Egate Communications Inc Mark Jeftovic / Easy DNS For Ross Rader - 9 votes registered Erin Weatherall - hostmaster.ca Stephanie Fewster - cvo.ca Bill Wiest - Aloak Edward Twardus - Energetex Al Davis - Look Communications Rob Hall - Internic.ca Ian MacEachern - Domains at Cost Chris Kruk - Domain People Ross Rader - Tucows Please inform me if there are any errors in this list. Errors would be failing to record a vote given to me or to the list before noon today. The person selected would be presented to the Board of CIRA as the proposed representative of the Canadian registars association. Whether and how that person would actually be appointed to the Board of CIRA is a mystery for CIRA to solve. It is not in the registrars' control. Timothy Denton Interim Coordinator .ca-registrars tmdenton@magma.ca www.tmdenton.com 613-789-5397 From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Timothy M. Denton [tmdenton@magma.ca] Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 2:45 PM To: Careg-Discuss Cc: Bernard Turcotte Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Vote results This was the process outlined before: 1. Close of Nominations 6pm Monday October 23 2. Candidates signify whether they wish to stand for election (phone or email between me and them). 3. Email to list, stating names and qualifications for the task after 6pm Ocotber 23 4. Voting begins after candidate email has been issued after 6pm Monday October 23 one vote per registrar 5. Voting closes noon Wednesday October 25 6. results announced after noon on Wednesday October 25 As it is now past noon on Wednesday October 25, the vote is closed. I have recorded the following votes for Mark Jeftovic - 5 votes registered Mesut Turkoglu/Sibername André Lepage - riq.qc.ca Tom Brown / Baremetal.com Eric Beck / Canadian DNS Paul Andersen / Egate Communications Inc For Ross Rader - 9 votes registered Erin Weatherall - hostmaster.ca Stephanie Fewster - cvo.ca Bill Wiest - Aloak Edward Twardus - Energetex Al Davis - Look Communications Rob Hall - Internic.ca Ian MacEachern - Domains at Cost Chris Kruk - Domain People Ross Rader - Tucows Please inform me if there are any errors in this list. Errors would be failing to record a vote given to me or to the list before noon today. The person selected would be presented to the Board of CIRA as the proposed representative of the Canadian registars association. Whether and how that person would actually be appointed to the Board of CIRA is a mystery for CIRA to solve. It is not in the registrars' control. Timothy Denton Interim Coordinator .ca-registrars tmdenton@magma.ca www.tmdenton.com 613-789-5397 From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Mark Jeftovic [markjr@easydns.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 11:31 AM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: RE: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Vote On 24-Oct-2000 Timothy M. Denton wrote: > Please signify your approval of either Mark Jeftovic or Ross Rader as the > ca-registrar designate for the Board of CIRA. > > I hope the designate understands that, if asked to attend as the registrars' > representative, a great deal of Board work lies ahead of him. > > Send your vote to the discussion list, or to me. > > One vote per CIRA-accredited registrar. I mis-typed the list address a little earlier and bounced my vote, so a little late but easyDNS votes Mark Jeftovic (*gasp*) -mark ---------------------------------- Mark Jeftovic http://www.easydns.com/ http://mark.jeftovic.net/ ----------------------------------From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Ian MacEachern [ian@domainsatcost.ca] Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 9:43 AM To: careg-discuss@egate.net; tmdenton@magma.ca Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Vote My vote is for Ross Rader. Ian MacEachern domainsatcost.ca From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Mark Jeftovic [markjr@easydns.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 12:29 PM To: turcotte@canarie.ca Cc: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Re: CIRA Registrar Advisory - Priority = High - Decision of the Registrar's group At 09:53 AM 10/25/00 -0400, you wrote: >As per these recommendations we have implemented the legal framework to >undertake most of these recommendations except for allowing registrars to >change the admin email contact which went against formal legal advice >(documents you received via email yesterday). > How will we get a domain back online if the admin contact email is at a domain that has been cut off? -mark ---- Mark Jeftovic, easyDNS Technologies Inc. http://www.easyDNS.com/ From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Rob Hall [rob@momentous.ca] Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 9:24 AM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Problems with new documents/rules Does anyone else have a problem with the new registrar contract that was just shoved down our throats by CIRA ? We certainly do and I am curious if anyone else has issues with it. Rob. -- Rob Hall voice (613) 768-5100 President fax (613) 820-0777 Momentous.ca Corp. rob@momentous.ca www.momentous.ca iti,s From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Robert Macri [robertm@zymos.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 8:40 AM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: RE: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Spam Hello André, Yes we should report them. All of us have followed the rules on emails. Why should they get to be different! Bernard can and will give them a warning, and if they continue, they can have their contract revoked. If you a copy of the email and proof they are spamming the UBC database, please forward it to Bernard ASAP. Regards, Robert Macri -----Original Message----- From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net [mailto:owner-careg-discuss@egate.net]On Behalf Of Andre Lepage Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 9:24 AM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Spam Some of our client report that they have been spam by those guy. Again this is against the registrar agreement. Shall we report that to Bernard T.? I do not know if CIRA can do something about that. André RIQ Inc. At 00-10-24 19:38-0400, you wrote: Hi everyone, I don't know if MediaFusion (new accredited registrar in Quebec) are on the list, but if they are I would like to ask them to stop spamming. We received some emails (you can see a copy below) in french about the pre-registration process .. I don't like those kind of emails which is, again, confusing clients that have already pre-registered .... and which is unacceptable. It would be nice if all registrars were spamming .... I guess you all agree! If I am wrong let me know ! And please have Mediafusion stop spamming. Martin. Groupe iWeb -- ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 7:17 PM Subject: Domaine .ca - Attention date limite le 1er novembre > Si vous possedez un nom de domaine .ca (ou .qc.ca), vous devez tenir compte > des recents changements dans la gestion des noms de domaines au Canada. Ces > changements impliquent que tout detenteur d'un tel nom de domaine doit > pre-enregistrer de nouveau son nom de domaine avant le 31 octobre 2000. Si > vous n'avez pas pre-enregistre recemment votre nom de domaine .ca, votre > site ne sera plus accessible a compter du 1er novembre et vous ne recevrez > plus de courriel a toute adresse de courrier electronique se terminant par > (.ca). L'ACEI (Autorite canadienne pour les enregistrements Internet), > responsable de la gestion de noms de domaine canadiens, a prevu un delai de > protection de 30 jours afin que les entreprises regularisent leur > situation, mais elles se verront infliger une penalite de retard. > > http://grive.cira.ca/fr/registrant.html > > MediaFusion est l'un des cinq registraires agrees au Quebec pour le > pre-enregistrement des noms de domaine .ca. N'hesitez pas a communiquer > avec nous si vous avez besoin d'informations ou d'aide dans le > renouvellement et la gestion de votre nom de domaine. > > http://mediafusion.ca/domain/_ca/accueil.html > > Nous vous avons fait parvenir ce courriel parce que nous croyons qu'il > pourrait vous concerner, etant donne que vous etes deje proprietaire d'un > nom de domaine. Si vous desirez que votre adresse soit retiree de notre > liste, veuillez nous retourner ce courriel avec la mention "enlever de la > liste" dans l'objet du message. > > > Toujours le premier à vous offrir la gamme complète de services Internet de classe affaires, depuis 1994. André Lepage Directeur général URL: http://www.riq.qc.ca Téléphone : (514) 875-5351 Montréal (418) 521-2884 Québec Registraire agréé par: L'Association canadienne pour les enregistrements internet. From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Andre Lepage [lepage@riq.qc.ca] Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 8:24 AM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Spam Some of our client report that they have been spam by those guy. Again this is against the registrar agreement. Shall we report that to Bernard T.? I do not know if CIRA can do something about that. André RIQ Inc. At 00-10-24 19:38-0400, you wrote: >Hi everyone, > >I don't know if MediaFusion (new accredited registrar in Quebec) are on the >list, but if they are I would like to ask them to stop spamming. We received >some emails (you can see a copy below) in french about the pre-registration >process .. I don't like those kind of emails which is, again, confusing >clients that have already pre-registered .... and which is unacceptable. It >would be nice if all registrars were spamming .... I guess you all agree! >If I am wrong let me know ! And please have Mediafusion stop spamming. > >Martin. >Groupe iWeb > >-- > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 7:17 PM >Subject: Domaine .ca - Attention date limite le 1er novembre > > > > > > Si vous possedez un nom de domaine .ca (ou .qc.ca), vous devez tenir >compte > > des recents changements dans la gestion des noms de domaines au Canada. >Ces > > changements impliquent que tout detenteur d'un tel nom de domaine doit > > pre-enregistrer de nouveau son nom de domaine avant le 31 octobre 2000. Si > > vous n'avez pas pre-enregistre recemment votre nom de domaine .ca, votre > > site ne sera plus accessible a compter du 1er novembre et vous ne recevrez > > plus de courriel a toute adresse de courrier electronique se terminant par > > (.ca). L'ACEI (Autorite canadienne pour les enregistrements Internet), > > responsable de la gestion de noms de domaine canadiens, a prevu un delai >de > > protection de 30 jours afin que les entreprises regularisent leur > > situation, mais elles se verront infliger une penalite de retard. > > > > http://grive.cira.ca/fr/registrant.html > > > > MediaFusion est l'un des cinq registraires agrees au Quebec pour le > > pre-enregistrement des noms de domaine .ca. N'hesitez pas a communiquer > > avec nous si vous avez besoin d'informations ou d'aide dans le > > renouvellement et la gestion de votre nom de domaine. > > > > http://mediafusion.ca/domain/_ca/accueil.html > > > > Nous vous avons fait parvenir ce courriel parce que nous croyons qu'il > > pourrait vous concerner, etant donne que vous etes deje proprietaire d'un > > nom de domaine. Si vous desirez que votre adresse soit retiree de notre > > liste, veuillez nous retourner ce courriel avec la mention "enlever de la > > liste" dans l'objet du message. > > > > > > Toujours le premier à vous offrir la gamme complète de services Internet de classe affaires, depuis 1994. André Lepage Directeur général URL: http://www.riq.qc.ca Téléphone : (514) 875-5351 Montréal (418) 521-2884 Québec Registraire agréé par: L'Association canadienne pour les enregistrements internet.From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Anthony Santen [anthony@canhost.ca] Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 8:24 AM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] transactions via testemail2@cira.ca The live email system 'transac@cira.ca' is not capable of handling the 'second issue commands' Anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Administration" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 11:39 PM Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] transactions via testemail2@cira.ca > I have a question: > > I'm a little confused :-) Can we actually register registrants without a domain name right now? This is unclear to me, and the one test I did on the live system (email) came back not valid on the transaction type????? > > Eric > > At 11:22 PM 10/24/00 -0400, you wrote: > >Yes. > >We're getting 100% back > > > >Anthony > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Mark Jeftovic" > >To: > >Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 2:08 AM > >Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] transactions via testemail2@cira.ca > > > > > >> > >> For those doing anything via email, > >> > >> Am I the only one getting half the responses from testemail2@cira.ca > >> encrypted using the caprd public key? > >> > >> -mark > >> > >> > >> ---- > >> Mark Jeftovic, > >> easyDNS Technologies Inc. http://www.easyDNS.com/ > >> > >> > > From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Mark Jeftovic [markjr@easydns.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 11:26 AM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Cc: turcotte@canarie.ca Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] transactions via testemail2@cira.ca At 09:18 AM 10/25/00 -0400, you wrote: >1 response is for Bernard's team diagnostics. They haven't removed it yet. > Well I hope they don't, as that's the only one I can read at present. I am actually going over this with Bernard right now. -mark >Anthony > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mark Jeftovic" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 2:46 AM >Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] transactions via testemail2@cira.ca > > >> >> You can do it, use the testemail2@cira.ca address, as transactions sent >> here are live too. >> >> (Except I can't decrypt the responses, the 2nd half of them anyway) >> >> -mark >> >> At 11:39 PM 10/24/00 -0400, you wrote: >> >I have a question: >> > >> >I'm a little confused :-) Can we actually register registrants without >> a domain name right now? This is unclear to me, and the one test I did on >> the live system (email) came back not valid on the transaction type????? >> > >> >Eric >> > >> >At 11:22 PM 10/24/00 -0400, you wrote: >> >>Yes. >> >>We're getting 100% back >> >> >> >>Anthony >> >>----- Original Message ----- >> >>From: "Mark Jeftovic" >> >>To: >> >>Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 2:08 AM >> >>Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] transactions via testemail2@cira.ca >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >>> For those doing anything via email, >> >>> >> >>> Am I the only one getting half the responses from testemail2@cira.ca >> >>> encrypted using the caprd public key? >> >>> >> >>> -mark >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> ---- >> >>> Mark Jeftovic, >> >>> easyDNS Technologies Inc. http://www.easyDNS.com/ >> >>> >> >>> >> > >> > >> >> ---- >> Mark Jeftovic, >> easyDNS Technologies Inc. http://www.easyDNS.com/ >> >> > > ---- Mark Jeftovic, easyDNS Technologies Inc. http://www.easyDNS.com/ From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Anthony Santen [anthony@canhost.ca] Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 8:18 AM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] transactions via testemail2@cira.ca 1 response is for Bernard's team diagnostics. They haven't removed it yet. Anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jeftovic" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 2:46 AM Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] transactions via testemail2@cira.ca > > You can do it, use the testemail2@cira.ca address, as transactions sent > here are live too. > > (Except I can't decrypt the responses, the 2nd half of them anyway) > > -mark > > At 11:39 PM 10/24/00 -0400, you wrote: > >I have a question: > > > >I'm a little confused :-) Can we actually register registrants without > a domain name right now? This is unclear to me, and the one test I did on > the live system (email) came back not valid on the transaction type????? > > > >Eric > > > >At 11:22 PM 10/24/00 -0400, you wrote: > >>Yes. > >>We're getting 100% back > >> > >>Anthony > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "Mark Jeftovic" > >>To: > >>Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 2:08 AM > >>Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] transactions via testemail2@cira.ca > >> > >> > >>> > >>> For those doing anything via email, > >>> > >>> Am I the only one getting half the responses from testemail2@cira.ca > >>> encrypted using the caprd public key? > >>> > >>> -mark > >>> > >>> > >>> ---- > >>> Mark Jeftovic, > >>> easyDNS Technologies Inc. http://www.easyDNS.com/ > >>> > >>> > > > > > > ---- > Mark Jeftovic, > easyDNS Technologies Inc. http://www.easyDNS.com/ > > From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Martin Leclair [leclair@webdepart.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 11:28 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Spam Hi ... Sorry to bother with this again but do you know if MediaFusion is spamming in english too? I must have received at least 12 emails tonight sent to different email adresses (contacts of domains) in french, it really looks like if they were spamming the whole UBC database ... Bye. Martin Leclair [leclair@webdepart.com] VP Développement et technologies -- Groupe iWeb ICQ : #3279314 Tel : +1 514-286-4242 #103 ____________________________________________________________________ Visitez WEBDÉPART, votre rendez-vous quotidien! http://www.webdepart.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Hall" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 11:29 AM Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Conference call Details - CONFERENCE CALL IS TODAY (TUESDAY) > Date: Tuesday, Oct 24th > Time: 13:00 EDT (Local Toronto Time) > Duration: Booked for one hour, but we can go longer > > Participants: One line per certified registrar. > > Dial In #: 416-405-8187 > Passcode: 588882 (and then the # key) > > > Should you have any problems, please email rob@momentous.ca (even while the > call is in progress!) > > Please also ensure that you still email me if you wish to attend ... I may > need to book more lines, and we don't want any registrar not to be able to > attend if they so desire. If you absolutely need to use more than one line > per registrar, please also let me know. > > Rob. > > > -- > Rob Hall voice (613) 768-5100 > President fax (613) 820-0777 > Momentous.ca Corp. > rob@momentous.ca www.momentous.ca > > > > iti,s > > > > > -- > Rob Hall voice (613) 768-5100 > President fax (613) 820-0777 > Momentous.ca Corp. > rob@momentous.ca www.momentous.ca > > > > iti,s > > From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Mark Jeftovic [markjr@easydns.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 2:02 AM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] transactions via testemail2@cira.ca At 11:45 PM 10/24/00 -0400, you wrote: >I was under the impression that testmail2 was just that, a testing place, not >live. So it is live, and those user id's returned are real live values? Apparently so. I'll see if I can dig out the email Bernard posted tomorrow, it's on my other `puter (remind me) -mark > >Thanks...sorry to be a pain... > >Eric > >At 11:46 PM 10/24/00 -0700, you wrote: > >>You can do it, use the testemail2@cira.ca address, as transactions sent >>here are live too. >> >>(Except I can't decrypt the responses, the 2nd half of them anyway) >> >>-mark >> >>At 11:39 PM 10/24/00 -0400, you wrote: >>>I have a question: >>> >>>I'm a little confused :-) Can we actually register registrants without >>a domain name right now? This is unclear to me, and the one test I did on >>the live system (email) came back not valid on the transaction type????? >>> >>>Eric >>> >>>At 11:22 PM 10/24/00 -0400, you wrote: >>>>Yes. >>>>We're getting 100% back >>>> >>>>Anthony >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: "Mark Jeftovic" >>>>To: >>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 2:08 AM >>>>Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] transactions via testemail2@cira.ca >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> For those doing anything via email, >>>>> >>>>> Am I the only one getting half the responses from testemail2@cira.ca >>>>> encrypted using the caprd public key? >>>>> >>>>> -mark >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ---- >>>>> Mark Jeftovic, >>>>> easyDNS Technologies Inc. http://www.easyDNS.com/ >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >> >>---- >>Mark Jeftovic, >>easyDNS Technologies Inc. http://www.easyDNS.com/ > > ---- Mark Jeftovic, easyDNS Technologies Inc. http://www.easyDNS.com/ From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Administration [admin@cadns.ca] Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 10:45 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] transactions via testemail2@cira.ca I was under the impression that testmail2 was just that, a testing place, not live. So it is live, and those user id's returned are real live values? Thanks...sorry to be a pain... Eric At 11:46 PM 10/24/00 -0700, you wrote: >You can do it, use the testemail2@cira.ca address, as transactions sent >here are live too. > >(Except I can't decrypt the responses, the 2nd half of them anyway) > >-mark > >At 11:39 PM 10/24/00 -0400, you wrote: >>I have a question: >> >>I'm a little confused :-) Can we actually register registrants without >a domain name right now? This is unclear to me, and the one test I did on >the live system (email) came back not valid on the transaction type????? >> >>Eric >> >>At 11:22 PM 10/24/00 -0400, you wrote: >>>Yes. >>>We're getting 100% back >>> >>>Anthony >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Mark Jeftovic" >>>To: >>>Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 2:08 AM >>>Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] transactions via testemail2@cira.ca >>> >>> >>>> >>>> For those doing anything via email, >>>> >>>> Am I the only one getting half the responses from testemail2@cira.ca >>>> encrypted using the caprd public key? >>>> >>>> -mark >>>> >>>> >>>> ---- >>>> Mark Jeftovic, >>>> easyDNS Technologies Inc. http://www.easyDNS.com/ >>>> >>>> >> >> > >---- >Mark Jeftovic, >easyDNS Technologies Inc. http://www.easyDNS.com/ From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Mark Jeftovic [markjr@easydns.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 1:46 AM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] transactions via testemail2@cira.ca You can do it, use the testemail2@cira.ca address, as transactions sent here are live too. (Except I can't decrypt the responses, the 2nd half of them anyway) -mark At 11:39 PM 10/24/00 -0400, you wrote: >I have a question: > >I'm a little confused :-) Can we actually register registrants without a domain name right now? This is unclear to me, and the one test I did on the live system (email) came back not valid on the transaction type????? > >Eric > >At 11:22 PM 10/24/00 -0400, you wrote: >>Yes. >>We're getting 100% back >> >>Anthony >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Mark Jeftovic" >>To: >>Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 2:08 AM >>Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] transactions via testemail2@cira.ca >> >> >>> >>> For those doing anything via email, >>> >>> Am I the only one getting half the responses from testemail2@cira.ca >>> encrypted using the caprd public key? >>> >>> -mark >>> >>> >>> ---- >>> Mark Jeftovic, >>> easyDNS Technologies Inc. http://www.easyDNS.com/ >>> >>> > > ---- Mark Jeftovic, easyDNS Technologies Inc. http://www.easyDNS.com/ From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Administration [admin@cadns.ca] Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 10:39 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] transactions via testemail2@cira.ca I have a question: I'm a little confused :-) Can we actually register registrants without a domain name right now? This is unclear to me, and the one test I did on the live system (email) came back not valid on the transaction type????? Eric At 11:22 PM 10/24/00 -0400, you wrote: >Yes. >We're getting 100% back > >Anthony >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mark Jeftovic" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 2:08 AM >Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] transactions via testemail2@cira.ca > > >> >> For those doing anything via email, >> >> Am I the only one getting half the responses from testemail2@cira.ca >> encrypted using the caprd public key? >> >> -mark >> >> >> ---- >> Mark Jeftovic, >> easyDNS Technologies Inc. http://www.easyDNS.com/ >> >> From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Anthony Santen [anthony@canhost.ca] Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 10:23 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] transactions via testemail2@cira.ca Yes. We're getting 100% back Anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jeftovic" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 2:08 AM Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] transactions via testemail2@cira.ca > > For those doing anything via email, > > Am I the only one getting half the responses from testemail2@cira.ca > encrypted using the caprd public key? > > -mark > > > ---- > Mark Jeftovic, > easyDNS Technologies Inc. http://www.easyDNS.com/ > > From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Mark Jeftovic [markjr@easydns.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 1:09 AM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] transactions via testemail2@cira.ca For those doing anything via email, Am I the only one getting half the responses from testemail2@cira.ca encrypted using the caprd public key? -mark ---- Mark Jeftovic, easyDNS Technologies Inc. http://www.easyDNS.com/ From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Administration [admin@cadns.ca] Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 9:54 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] $5.00 fee It's not reflected in the ammendments just posted...it is there in the ammendments, effective November 1. It was never in the original fee table. Eric At 10:41 PM 10/24/00 -0700, you wrote: >At 09:05 PM 10/24/00 -0400, you wrote: >>Hi: >> >>Just read the pre-operational doc. There IS a $5.00 fee for a registrant >>without a domain name, contrary to what we were told in an advisory posted >by >Bernie. >> > >Didn't that get waived awhile ago? Or do you mean it is not reflected in >the ammendments just posted by Bernard? > >-mark > >>Hmmmm.... >> >>Eric >> >>Canadian Domain Name Services Inc. >> >> > >---- >Mark Jeftovic, >easyDNS Technologies Inc. http://www.easyDNS.com/ From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Mark Jeftovic [markjr@easydns.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 12:42 AM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] $5.00 fee At 09:05 PM 10/24/00 -0400, you wrote: >Hi: > >Just read the pre-operational doc. There IS a $5.00 fee for a registrant >without a domain name, contrary to what we were told in an advisory posted by >Bernie. > Didn't that get waived awhile ago? Or do you mean it is not reflected in the ammendments just posted by Bernard? -mark >Hmmmm.... > >Eric > >Canadian Domain Name Services Inc. > > ---- Mark Jeftovic, easyDNS Technologies Inc. http://www.easyDNS.com/ From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Eric Beck [discuss@cadns.ca] Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 8:06 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] $5.00 fee Hi: Just read the pre-operational doc. There IS a $5.00 fee for a registrant without a domain name, contrary to what we were told in an advisory posted by Bernie. Hmmmm.... Eric Canadian Domain Name Services Inc. From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Martin Leclair [leclair@webdepart.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 6:38 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Spam Hi everyone, I don't know if MediaFusion (new accredited registrar in Quebec) are on the list, but if they are I would like to ask them to stop spamming. We received some emails (you can see a copy below) in french about the pre-registration process .. I don't like those kind of emails which is, again, confusing clients that have already pre-registered .... and which is unacceptable. It would be nice if all registrars were spamming .... I guess you all agree! If I am wrong let me know ! And please have Mediafusion stop spamming. Martin. Groupe iWeb -- ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 7:17 PM Subject: Domaine .ca - Attention date limite le 1er novembre > Si vous possedez un nom de domaine .ca (ou .qc.ca), vous devez tenir compte > des recents changements dans la gestion des noms de domaines au Canada. Ces > changements impliquent que tout detenteur d'un tel nom de domaine doit > pre-enregistrer de nouveau son nom de domaine avant le 31 octobre 2000. Si > vous n'avez pas pre-enregistre recemment votre nom de domaine .ca, votre > site ne sera plus accessible a compter du 1er novembre et vous ne recevrez > plus de courriel a toute adresse de courrier electronique se terminant par > (.ca). L'ACEI (Autorite canadienne pour les enregistrements Internet), > responsable de la gestion de noms de domaine canadiens, a prevu un delai de > protection de 30 jours afin que les entreprises regularisent leur > situation, mais elles se verront infliger une penalite de retard. > > http://grive.cira.ca/fr/registrant.html > > MediaFusion est l'un des cinq registraires agrees au Quebec pour le > pre-enregistrement des noms de domaine .ca. N'hesitez pas a communiquer > avec nous si vous avez besoin d'informations ou d'aide dans le > renouvellement et la gestion de votre nom de domaine. > > http://mediafusion.ca/domain/_ca/accueil.html > > Nous vous avons fait parvenir ce courriel parce que nous croyons qu'il > pourrait vous concerner, etant donne que vous etes deje proprietaire d'un > nom de domaine. Si vous desirez que votre adresse soit retiree de notre > liste, veuillez nous retourner ce courriel avec la mention "enlever de la > liste" dans l'objet du message. > > > From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Sibername Internet & Software [sibername@sibername.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 8:11 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Vote Hi all, My vote goes to Mark Jeftovic as the ca-registrars' representative on the Board of CIRA. Mesut B. Turkoglu sibername.com -----Original Message----- From: "Timothy M. Denton" To: "Careg-Discuss" Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 16:41:30 -0700 Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Vote >Please signify your approval of either Mark Jeftovic or Ross Rader as >the >ca-registrar designate for the Board of CIRA. > >I hope the designate understands that, if asked to attend as the >registrars' >representative, a great deal of Board work lies ahead of him. > >Send your vote to the discussion list, or to me. > >One vote per CIRA-accredited registrar. > > From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Erin Weatherall [erin@hostmaster.ca] Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 3:58 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Vote Ross Rader Erin Weatherall www.hostmaster.ca From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Stephanie Fewster [stef@echelon.ca] Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 3:41 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Vote Ross Rader Stephanie Fewster www.cvo.ca At 07:41 PM 10/24/00, you wrote: >Please signify your approval of either Mark Jeftovic or Ross Rader as the >ca-registrar designate for the Board of CIRA. > >I hope the designate understands that, if asked to attend as the registrars' >representative, a great deal of Board work lies ahead of him. > >Send your vote to the discussion list, or to me. > >One vote per CIRA-accredited registrar. From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Bill Wiest [bwiest@aloak.ca] Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 3:52 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Vote Hi Tim, Aloak's vote is for Ross Rader. "Timothy M. Denton" wrote: > > Please signify your approval of either Mark Jeftovic or Ross Rader as the > ca-registrar designate for the Board of CIRA. > > I hope the designate understands that, if asked to attend as the registrars' > representative, a great deal of Board work lies ahead of him. > > Send your vote to the discussion list, or to me. > > One vote per CIRA-accredited registrar. > > Powered by ALOAK > http://www.aloak.ca -- Bill Wiest bwiest@aloak.ca B2B Portals www.ALOAK.ca Powered by ALOAK http://www.aloak.caFrom: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Martin Leclair [leclair@webdepart.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 3:27 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Results teleconference Great. Even if I could'nt participate in the conference call the document fits with iWeb's position. Martin Leclair [leclair@webdepart.com] VP Développement et technologies -- Groupe iWeb ICQ : #3279314 Tel : +1 514-286-4242 #103 ____________________________________________________________________ Visitez WEBDÉPART, votre rendez-vous quotidien! http://www.webdepart.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy M. Denton" To: "Careg-Discuss" Cc: "Bernard Turcotte" Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 7:20 PM Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Results teleconference > Here is the draft record of decisions. Please have a look at your name and > company and correct them if required.Thank you. > Timothy Denton > Interim Coordinator > .ca-registrars > tmdenton@magma.ca > www.tmdenton.com > 613-789-5397 > From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Timothy M. Denton [tmdenton@magma.ca] Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 6:42 PM To: Careg-Discuss Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Vote Please signify your approval of either Mark Jeftovic or Ross Rader as the ca-registrar designate for the Board of CIRA. I hope the designate understands that, if asked to attend as the registrars' representative, a great deal of Board work lies ahead of him. Send your vote to the discussion list, or to me. One vote per CIRA-accredited registrar. From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Timothy M. Denton [tmdenton@magma.ca] Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 6:20 PM To: Careg-Discuss Cc: Bernard Turcotte Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Results teleconference Here is the draft record of decisions. Please have a look at your name and company and correct them if required.Thank you. Timothy Denton Interim Coordinator .ca-registrars tmdenton@magma.ca www.tmdenton.com 613-789-5397 From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Ed Twardus [ed@energetex.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 5:40 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] vote >I vote for Ross Rader as the ca-registrars' representative on the Board of >CIRA. >Signed by Edward Twardus Energetex From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Andre Lepage [lepage@riq.qc.ca] Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 1:49 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Vote for a registrars' representative to CIRA "I vote for Mark Jeftovic as the ca-registrars' representative on the Board of CIRA." André Lepage Toujours le premier à vous offrir la gamme complète de services Internet de classe affaires, depuis 1994. André Lepage Directeur général URL: http://www.riq.qc.ca Téléphone : (514) 875-5351 Montréal (418) 521-2884 Québec Registraire agréé par: L'Association canadienne pour les enregistrements internet.From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Martin Leclair [leclair@webdepart.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 11:28 AM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Conference call Details - CONFERENCE CALL IS TODAY (TUESDAY) I will not be able to attend the conference call. Let me know what happened. Martin Leclair [leclair@webdepart.com] VP Développement et technologies -- Groupe iWeb ICQ : #3279314 Tel : +1 514-286-4242 #103 ____________________________________________________________________ Visitez WEBDÉPART, votre rendez-vous quotidien! http://www.webdepart.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Hall" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 11:29 AM Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Conference call Details - CONFERENCE CALL IS TODAY (TUESDAY) > Date: Tuesday, Oct 24th > Time: 13:00 EDT (Local Toronto Time) > Duration: Booked for one hour, but we can go longer > > Participants: One line per certified registrar. > > Dial In #: 416-405-8187 > Passcode: 588882 (and then the # key) > > > Should you have any problems, please email rob@momentous.ca (even while the > call is in progress!) > > Please also ensure that you still email me if you wish to attend ... I may > need to book more lines, and we don't want any registrar not to be able to > attend if they so desire. If you absolutely need to use more than one line > per registrar, please also let me know. > > Rob. > > > -- > Rob Hall voice (613) 768-5100 > President fax (613) 820-0777 > Momentous.ca Corp. > rob@momentous.ca www.momentous.ca > > > > iti,s > > > > > -- > Rob Hall voice (613) 768-5100 > President fax (613) 820-0777 > Momentous.ca Corp. > rob@momentous.ca www.momentous.ca > > > > iti,s > > From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Tom Brown [tbrown@baremetal.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 11:35 AM To: Careg-Discuss Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Vote for a registrars' representative to CIRA "I vote for Mark Jeftovic as the ca-registrars' representative on the Board of CIRA." -Tom Brown, BareMetal.com inc ---------------------------------------------------------------------- tbrown@BareMetal.com | Courage is doing what you're afraid to do. http://BareMetal.com/ | There can be no courage unless you're scared. | - Eddie Rickenbacker From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Timothy M. Denton [tmdenton@magma.ca] Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 2:22 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: RE: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Conference call Details - CONFERENCE CALL IS TODAY (TUESDAY) Yes. Timothy Denton Interim Coordinator .ca-registrars tmdenton@magma.ca www.tmdenton.com 613-789-5397 -----Original Message----- From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net [mailto:owner-careg-discuss@egate.net]On Behalf Of sibername.com Internet and Software Technologies Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 8:35 AM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Conference call Details - CONFERENCE CALL IS TODAY (TUESDAY) Hi Rob, I will not be able to attend. Is there going to be minutes taken and declared to the list later. Thank you, Mesut B TURKOGLU From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of sibername.com Internet and Software Technologies [sales@sibername.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 10:35 AM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Conference call Details - CONFERENCE CALL IS TODAY (TUESDAY) Hi Rob, I will not be able to attend. Is there going to be minutes taken and declared to the list later. Thank you, Mesut B TURKOGLU Rob Hall wrote: > Date: Tuesday, Oct 24th > Time: 13:00 EDT (Local Toronto Time) > Duration: Booked for one hour, but we can go longer > > Participants: One line per certified registrar. > > Dial In #: 416-405-8187 > Passcode: 588882 (and then the # key) > > Should you have any problems, please email rob@momentous.ca (even while the > call is in progress!) > > Please also ensure that you still email me if you wish to attend ... I may > need to book more lines, and we don't want any registrar not to be able to > attend if they so desire. If you absolutely need to use more than one line > per registrar, please also let me know. > > Rob. > > -- > Rob Hall voice (613) 768-5100 > President fax (613) 820-0777 > Momentous.ca Corp. > rob@momentous.ca www.momentous.ca > > iti,s > > -- > Rob Hall voice (613) 768-5100 > President fax (613) 820-0777 > Momentous.ca Corp. > rob@momentous.ca www.momentous.ca > > iti,s From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Timothy M. Denton [tmdenton@magma.ca] Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 1:43 PM To: Careg-Discuss Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Vote for our rep to CIRA I am instructed by Al Davis of Look Communictions to register Look's vote for Ross Rader as the ca-registrars' representative to the CIRA Board. Al is not at a computer today, but at a conference in Vancouver. Timothy Denton Interim Coordinator .ca-registrars tmdenton@magma.ca www.tmdenton.com 613-789-5397 From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Rob Hall [rob@momentous.ca] Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 10:30 AM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Conference call Details - CONFERENCE CALL IS TODAY (TUESDAY) Date: Tuesday, Oct 24th Time: 13:00 EDT (Local Toronto Time) Duration: Booked for one hour, but we can go longer Participants: One line per certified registrar. Dial In #: 416-405-8187 Passcode: 588882 (and then the # key) Should you have any problems, please email rob@momentous.ca (even while the call is in progress!) Please also ensure that you still email me if you wish to attend ... I may need to book more lines, and we don't want any registrar not to be able to attend if they so desire. If you absolutely need to use more than one line per registrar, please also let me know. Rob. -- Rob Hall voice (613) 768-5100 President fax (613) 820-0777 Momentous.ca Corp. rob@momentous.ca www.momentous.ca iti,s -- Rob Hall voice (613) 768-5100 President fax (613) 820-0777 Momentous.ca Corp. rob@momentous.ca www.momentous.ca iti,s From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Rob Hall [rob@momentous.ca] Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 9:55 AM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Conference call Details Date: Tuesday, Oct 24th Time: 13:00 EDT (Local Toronto Time) Duration: Booked for one hour, but we can go longer Participants: One line per certified registrar. Dial In #: 416-405-8187 Passcode: 588882 (and then the # key) Should you have any problems, please email rob@momentous.ca (even while the call is in progress!) Please also ensure that you still email me if you wish to attend ... I may need to book more lines, and we don't want any registrar not to be able to attend if they so desire. If you absolutely need to use more than one line per registrar, please also let me know. Rob. -- Rob Hall voice (613) 768-5100 President fax (613) 820-0777 Momentous.ca Corp. rob@momentous.ca www.momentous.ca iti,s From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Rob Hall [rob@momentous.ca] Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 8:13 AM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Cc: tmdenton@magma.ca Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Vote for a registrars' representative to CIRA >I vote for Ross Rader as the ca-registrars' representative on the Board of >CIRA. >Signed by Robert Hall Internic.ca Corp. From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Eric Beck [discuss@cadns.ca] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 9:15 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Vote: Canadian Domain Name Services Inc. I vote for Mark Jetftovic as the ca-registrar's representative on the Board of CIRA. Signed, Eric beck Canadian Domain Name Services Inc. --- Paul Andersen (InterNIC:PA137) paul@egate.net E-Gate Communications Inc. T: +1 (416) 447-7700x23 "How many PIDs could a SIGHUP HUP if a SIGHUP could HUP PIDs?" From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Timothy M. Denton [tmdenton@magma.ca] Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 12:01 AM To: Eric Beck Cc: Careg-Discuss Subject: RE: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Conference call Tomorow - 1pm I have been unable to send the poll results through the list serve. I wil try tomorrow. -----Original Message----- From: Eric Beck [mailto:discuss@cadns.ca] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 6:42 PM To: Timothy M. Denton Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Conference call Tomorow - 1pm At 09:43 PM 10/23/00 -0700, you wrote: >A conference call will be held tomorrow regarding the transfer arrangements >from cdn-net to CIRA, hosted by Momentous. > >An email informing you of the results of the poll was sent out from this >computer a half hour ago and should have reached you. Tim: I did not receive this results of the poll email. Eric Beck Canadian Domain Name Services Inc. From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Paul Andersen [paul@egate.net] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:52 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Vote: E-Gate Communications Inc. I vote for Mark Jetftovic as the ca-registrar's representative on the Board of CIRA. Signed, Paul Andersen E-Gate Communications Inc. --- Paul Andersen (InterNIC:PA137) paul@egate.net E-Gate Communications Inc. T: +1 (416) 447-7700x23 "How many PIDs could a SIGHUP HUP if a SIGHUP could HUP PIDs?" From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Timothy M. Denton [tmdenton@magma.ca] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 11:44 PM To: Careg-Discuss Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Conference call Tomorow - 1pm A conference call will be held tomorrow regarding the transfer arrangements from cdn-net to CIRA, hosted by Momentous. An email informing you of the results of the poll was sent out from this computer a half hour ago and should have reached you. 1. Send a note to the list serve or to Rob@momentous.ca telling him whether you will attend. This lets him know how many lines to lease (ie saves money). 2. Rob will send out coordinates for this phone call, maybe as little as an hour ahead (noon tomorrow). Watch the list serve for details. 3. Please read the poll results and help me make it as accurate as it can be made. Send in revisions or additions that you feel would clarify and resolve issues. From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Timothy M. Denton [tmdenton@magma.ca] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 11:36 PM To: Careg-Discuss Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Vote for a registrars' representative to CIRA This was the process outlined before: 1. Close of Nominations 6pm Monday October 23 2. Candidates signify whether they wish to stand for election (phone or email between me and them). 3. Email to list, stating names and qualifications for the task after 6pm Ocotber 23 4. Voting begins after candidate email has been issued after 6pm Monday October 23 one vote per registrar 5. Voting closes noon Wednesday October 25 6. results announced after noon on Wednesday October 25 Your candidates are Mark Jeftovic and Ross Rader.If the candidates wish to put out more propaganda to the list serve, they are free to do so. Rader's bio reads as follows: Born: July 3, 1971 - Winnipeg, MB Education - 1986 - 1989, Transcona Collegiate Institute 1989 - 1991, University of Winnipeg Professional - 1985 - 1993, Sears Canada Inc Field Office Manager 1993 - 1999, Internet Direct (now Look Communications)/Tucows Interactive Technical Support Manager, Internet Direct General Manager, Internet Direct Director of Marketing, Internet Direct 1999 - present, Tucows Inc. Director of eCommerce, Tucows Director of Assigned Names Division, Tucows Professional Affiliations - RISC, Founding Director, CAIP, Associate Member (Tucows) USIIA, Vendor Member (Tucows) ISPBF, Associate Member ISP/C, Vendor Sponsor (Tucows) CIRA, Certified CIRA Registrar (Tucows) Nominet, Official Tag-holder (Registrar) (Tucows) ICANN, Accredited Registrar (Tucows) CORE, Founding Member (Tucows) Mark Jeftovic has not sent in a formal biography as such. He wrote earlier last week: "It was a bit of surprise for me to wind up as a nominee for this position and that being a case I had inadvertently given my speech-writer the day off today. "In any case, I'm far lighter than RR in terms of professional affiliations and credentials. In terms of Internet time I'm also a comparatively late bloomer, having arrived on the scene in '94 after wandering into an obscure office called "InfoRamp.net" and ending up being the second employee hired there. "I stuck around as things got larger and wound up as a system admin at iSTAR in charge of the Toronto dial-pool, the Toronto server farm and de facto newsadmin/webmaster, etc. "After that, I started a company with a couple partners and have been pretty well at that ever since. In 1998 we morphed into easyDNS and continue to do our thing to this day. "My experience over the years has been primarily technical. What I know of policy, administravia and management is a side effect of being a business owner (a *small* business owner). "I do not have the weight of a large powerful organization behind me, we weren't involved in CORE are not directly accredited by ICANN (in fact we are a Tucows affiliate for .com/.net/.org) do not belong to DNSO or anything like that. "About the only thing of note we've done was invent the commercial DNS hosting industry as we know it today ;-) "If I get the nod, all I can say is I'll go to bat for us whenever or wherever I'm sent into the game. I was in agreement in principal with many of the issues discussed at the ca-registrars meet last friday, and I think almost everyone there was "on the same page" in general terms, only differing in specifics or semantics. "I would like to go on record with two things: 1) my experience thus far with CIRA has been pretty positive, perhaps more positive than some other registrars. Since I have not been intimately involved with the history of events over the last two years that culminates in where we are today, I may be either "too green" for the job or perhaps even naive, but I am personally of the mind that CIRA can be counted upon to do the rational thing in light of a given situation. Yes, there are problems, and yes, some things could have been implemented better than they were, but I'm confident they'll listen to reason and suggestions. 2) while I have no ill will towards Tucows, or Ross or Tim (in fact, being across the street from them we've grown to like them and we even visit socially on occasion) it does concern me that having Tim chair the ca-registrars group and then having Ross nominated as our CIRA rep may make the ca-registrars group slightly "Tucows-centric". "I think that about covers my thoughts on the matter." Follow the rules laid out above, signify your votes on the list serve by writing: "I vote for ___________ as the ca-registrars' representative on the Board of CIRA." Signed by an authorized representative of a CIRA-accredited registrar. One vote per accredited registrar From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Administration [admin@cadns.ca] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:20 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: RE: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Nominations, etc (fwd) Hi: Does anyone have a copy of the minutes of the meeting that took place 2 Friday's ago? I still have not seen anything, and things are being discussed on this list that I have no knowledge of. If it is still being prepared in a format suitable for distribution, could someone who knows about that let me know, otherwise, where can I get a copy of the proceedings. Regards, Eric Beck Canadian Domain Name Services Inc. From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Ross Wm. Rader [ross@tucows.com] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 5:53 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: RE: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Nominations, etc (fwd) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 < It also might be best for the expenses to be shared amongst all the < registrars as well. This is not to spurn Tucows' hospitality, but rather < to make things as equitable as possible across the board, Tucows < included. I completely agree Mark. Although our actions over the last week might belie this fact, we are not a charitable foundation ;)However given that ca-registrars will be of great value to us as a corporation (and all other registrars for that matter), the investment is more than reasonable. The fact still remains though, that ca-registrars must become self-sufficient if the group is to move forward effectively. The dynamics of the early days of the DNSO Registrars Constituency are very similar to what we are experiencing now. AOL kicked in for the lawyers, AOL kicked in for the conference calls and AOL foot the bill for a number of face to face meetings. Now, just a year later, the constituency is a vibrant community that has and will continue to effectively work issues of mutual interest and concern to the entire group of 150 or so companies - and the bill gets shared by all of the member companies. But, it all had to start somewhere. Let's see how quickly ca-registrars can get it there. - -rwr -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.7 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOfTBPm+3tRWQJwEJEQKi8wCcCjNUE1X5imARXynWv0294nkaWhgAoM0z qBLx1QCsIIDz9avMj/qqmSqW =mcS+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Rob Hall [rob@momentous.ca] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 4:26 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: RE: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Nominations, etc (fwd) At 04:11 PM 10/23/2000 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Ross, I also feel that Tim is a fine choice for the job of interim >chair, and taken separately, you would be a top-notch choice for >the ca-registrar rep to CIRA. > >Taken together however, we have what is ostensibly an ca-registrars group, >funded by Tucows, hosted by Tucows, chaired by a Tucows legal council, >and represented to the CIRA board by a Tucows executive. I don't mean >to imply that Tucows would in any way use this to its advantage or bias, >but a conspicuous absence of representation from the rest of the >registrars is also apparent. > >It also might be best for the expenses to be shared amongst all the >registrars as well. This is not to spurn Tucows' hospitality, but rather >to make things as equitable as possible across the board, Tucows included. We offered to, and would be happy to share the expense. However, I think that the offer from TUCOWS should be taken in the spirit it was intended and accepted with thanks. I do not feel it colours our association in any way. Tim Denton is a lawyer, whom by default are used to working in situations like this. I believe that Tim has great personal integrity, and the fact that he is now contracted to the group means that he will do his best on behalf of the interests of the group, regardless of who is actually cutting the cheque. My nomination of Ross was because I believe him to be the best candidate, not because of his affiliation with TUCOWS. I would much prefer he worked for me, but we can't have everything we want in life! I still strongly support Ross. I do not believe there to be any optic problems. The group received a generous funding offer for just Tim's work. Further funding will be required. But we must move quickly and decisively. Personally, I thank Ross for his contribution, and I urge you to support him in the upcoming election as our representative on the board of CIRA. Rob. -- Rob Hall voice (613) 768-5100 President fax (613) 820-0777 Momentous.ca Corp. rob@momentous.ca www.momentous.ca iti,s From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Rob Hall [rob@momentous.ca] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 4:22 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] STATS It is not as bad as it sounds ... over 30,000 of the .ca domains have name servers that don't exist, or don't resolve on the ones that do exist. I suspect most of these are dead or unwanted. As for the others, I suspect they are just apathetic and will move once cutoff. Rob. At 05:09 PM 10/23/2000 -0400, you wrote: >Hello everyone, > > >Thought I would share this email with the group. > >Looks like thing are getting desperate at CIRA. > >How would you like to be an end-user getting a telephone call from a >telemarketer at suppertime asking why you did not renew your domain name? > >The Fun continues! > >Regards, > >Robert Macri >ZiD.com > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Bernard Turcotte [mailto:turcotte@canarie.ca] >Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 10:47 AM >To: Robert Macri >Subject: RE: Stats > >New message today and we are making arrngements to have a call centre >acually call up all those that are not pre-registered. > >I will post the official version to the list when I have the final details > > >Bernard > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Robert Macri [mailto:robertm@zymos.com] > > Sent: October 23, 2000 10:30 AM > > To: Bernard Turcotte (E-mail) > > Subject: Stats > > > > > > Hello Bernard, > > > > If the stats are correct only 22% of the total CA domain has > > pre-registered. What will CIRA do to get the message to the other > > 78% of CA domain holders? > > > > Will there be another email sent out? > > > > Regards, > > > > Robert Macri > > > > -- Rob Hall voice (613) 768-5100 President fax (613) 820-0777 Momentous.ca Corp. rob@momentous.ca www.momentous.ca iti,s From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Paul Andersen [paul@egate.net] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 4:16 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] November 1st? No go or Go? Based on those current stats I would be curious to know what is the status of the November 1st Launch.. Go or no go? p. --- Paul Andersen (InterNIC:PA137) paul@egate.net E-Gate Communications Inc. T: +1 (416) 447-7700x23 "How many PIDs could a SIGHUP HUP if a SIGHUP could HUP PIDs?" From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Robert Macri [robertm@zymos.com] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 4:09 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] STATS Hello everyone, Thought I would share this email with the group. Looks like thing are getting desperate at CIRA. How would you like to be an end-user getting a telephone call from a telemarketer at suppertime asking why you did not renew your domain name? The Fun continues! Regards, Robert Macri ZiD.com -----Original Message----- From: Bernard Turcotte [mailto:turcotte@canarie.ca] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 10:47 AM To: Robert Macri Subject: RE: Stats New message today and we are making arrngements to have a call centre acually call up all those that are not pre-registered. I will post the official version to the list when I have the final details Bernard > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Macri [mailto:robertm@zymos.com] > Sent: October 23, 2000 10:30 AM > To: Bernard Turcotte (E-mail) > Subject: Stats > > > Hello Bernard, > > If the stats are correct only 22% of the total CA domain has > pre-registered. What will CIRA do to get the message to the other > 78% of CA domain holders? > > Will there be another email sent out? > > Regards, > > Robert Macri > > From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Paul Andersen [paul@egate.net] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 4:11 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Listserver woes? There were three messages today sent to the list. One from Ross, then myself, followed by Mark. I've been told some people didn't get it. My mail server shows they went out. If you didn't get them can you shoot me an e-mail directly so I can do some digging. Thanks, p. --- Paul Andersen (InterNIC:PA137) paul@egate.net E-Gate Communications Inc. T: +1 (416) 447-7700x23 "How many PIDs could a SIGHUP HUP if a SIGHUP could HUP PIDs?" From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Mark Jeftovic [markjr@easydns.com] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 3:11 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: RE: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Nominations, etc (fwd) > > I feel quite strongly that Tim is the right man to run our group. His > level of experience with the digerati, bureaucrats and politicians of > this country is rare and serves our interests well. If the group > actively feels that the conflict you describe is a real and shared > concern, then we should immediately discuss some mechanism for > funding Tim's position equally throughout the group. > > Failing that, I am willing to entertain my withdrawal from this > election if there is a serious and shared concept of the conflict you > describe. > > To echo your comments, this isn't a personal issue with me either. I > hope that this comes across in the manner it was intended. However, > ca-registrars has a lot of work to undertake. We *must* have a > unified understanding, vision and voice on the relevant issues if we > are to be successful. As such, we can't afford to be distracted by > internal issues like this. If this is an issue that needs further > discussion, now is the time to work through it. > > -rwr > Hi Ross, I also feel that Tim is a fine choice for the job of interim chair, and taken separately, you would be a top-notch choice for the ca-registrar rep to CIRA. Taken together however, we have what is ostensibly an ca-registrars group, funded by Tucows, hosted by Tucows, chaired by a Tucows legal council, and represented to the CIRA board by a Tucows executive. I don't mean to imply that Tucows would in any way use this to its advantage or bias, but a conspicuous absence of representation from the rest of the registrars is also apparent. It also might be best for the expenses to be shared amongst all the registrars as well. This is not to spurn Tucows' hospitality, but rather to make things as equitable as possible across the board, Tucows included. -mark ---------------------------------- Mark Jeftovic http://www.easydns.com/ http://mark.jeftovic.net/ ----------------------------------From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Paul Andersen [paul@egate.net] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 1:01 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: RE: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Nominations, etc I can't speak for Mark on this issue but I think I know what he meant was that not only do we need to see this internally that our people are representing the group. It was made clear to me at the meeting that Mr. Denton acts for the group and not TuCows but he is still an active consultant for TuCows. I think it is good to have diversity in the people involved and the types of organisations they come from. If everyone who spoke for the group seemed to the untrained eye that they were for TuCows the group could loose credibility. Having said that I do have confidence in Ross, Tim, and Mark to serve us as a group without bias towards their own interests or their employers. On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Ross Wm. Rader wrote: > < 2) while I have no ill will towards Tucows, or Ross or Tim (in > fact, > < being across the street from them we've grown to like them and > we > < even visit socially on occasion) it does concern me that having > Tim > < chair the ca-registrars group and then having Ross nominated as > our > < CIRA rep may make the ca-registrars group slightly > "Tucows-centric". > > Mark, > > I had hoped that I was exceptionally clear on this at our meeting > last week. Tim's role as coordinator is on an interim basis. However, > as an independent consultant, Tim's retainer still needs to be > covered over the next 90 days. Tucows agreed to cover these fee's and > allow Tim to act independently from our firm during this period. This > was flagged at the meeting last week and I was very explicit > concerning our involvement with his new position - ie; there is none, > he runs his own show in accordance with the wishes of the group. > > I feel quite strongly that Tim is the right man to run our group. His > level of experience with the digerati, bureaucrats and politicians of > this country is rare and serves our interests well. If the group > actively feels that the conflict you describe is a real and shared > concern, then we should immediately discuss some mechanism for > funding Tim's position equally throughout the group. > > Failing that, I am willing to entertain my withdrawal from this > election if there is a serious and shared concept of the conflict you > describe. > > To echo your comments, this isn't a personal issue with me either. I > hope that this comes across in the manner it was intended. However, > ca-registrars has a lot of work to undertake. We *must* have a > unified understanding, vision and voice on the relevant issues if we > are to be successful. As such, we can't afford to be distracted by > internal issues like this. If this is an issue that needs further > discussion, now is the time to work through it. > > -rwr > > > ------------ Output from pgp ------------ > Cannot open configuration file /home/staff/paul/.pgp/pgp.cfg > Signature by unknown keyid: 0x90270109 > > --- Paul Andersen (InterNIC:PA137) paul@egate.net E-Gate Communications Inc. T: +1 (416) 447-7700x23 "How many PIDs could a SIGHUP HUP if a SIGHUP could HUP PIDs?" From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Ross Wm. Rader [ross@tucows.com] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 1:38 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: RE: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Nominations, etc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 < 2) while I have no ill will towards Tucows, or Ross or Tim (in fact, < being across the street from them we've grown to like them and we < even visit socially on occasion) it does concern me that having Tim < chair the ca-registrars group and then having Ross nominated as our < CIRA rep may make the ca-registrars group slightly "Tucows-centric". Mark, I had hoped that I was exceptionally clear on this at our meeting last week. Tim's role as coordinator is on an interim basis. However, as an independant consultant, Tim's retainer still needs to be covered over the next 90 days. Tucows agreed to cover these fee's and allow Tim to act independently from our firm during this period. This was flagged at the meeting last week and I was very explicit concerning our involvement with his new position - ie; there is none, he runs his own show in accordance with the wishes of the group. I feel quite strongly that Tim is the right man to run our group. His level of experience with the digerati, bureaucrats and politicians of this country is rare and serves our interests well. If the group actively feels that the conflict you describe is a real and shared concern, then we should immediately discuss some mechanism for funding Tim's position equally throughout the group. Failing that, I am willing to entertain my withdrawal from this election if there is a serious and shared concept of the conflict you describe. To echo your comments, this isn't a personal issue with me either. I hope that this comes across in the manner it was intended. However, ca-registrars has a lot of work to undertake. We *must* have a unified understanding, vision and voice on the relevant issues if we are to be successful. As such, we can't afford to be distracted by internal issues like this. If this is an issue that needs further discussion, now is the time to work through it. - -rwr -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.7 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOfSFZW+3tRWQJwEJEQLKgACfSNqQ3hZxd//X/Zr0gDcF66FnTPoAoMhR mykITgz4pniwTpj+9ZC7EiBd =zuFx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Mark Jeftovic [markjr@easydns.com] Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 4:29 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Nominations, etc It was a bit of surprise for me to wind up as a nominee for this position and that being a case I had inadvertently given my speech-writer the day off today. In any case, I'm far lighter than RR in terms of professional affiliations and credentials. In terms of Internet time I'm also a comparatively late bloomer, having arrived on the scene in '94 after wandering into an obscure office called "InfoRamp.net" and ending up being the second employee hired there. I stuck around as things got larger and wound up as a system admin at iSTAR in charge of the Toronto dial-pool, the Toronto server farm and de facto newsadmin/webmaster, etc. After that, I started a company with a couple partners and have been pretty well at that ever since. In 1998 we morphed into easyDNS and continue to do our thing to this day. My experience over the years has been primarily technical. What I know of policy, administravia and management is a side effect of being a business owner (a *small* business owner). I do not have the weight of a large powerful organization behind me, we weren't involved in CORE are not directly accredited by ICANN (in fact we are a Tucows affiliate for .com/.net/.org) do not belong to DNSO or anything like that. About the only thing of note we've done was invent the commercial DNS hosting industry as we know it today ;-) If I get the nod, all I can say is I'll go to bat for us whenever or wherever I'm sent into the game. I was in agreement in principal with many of the issues discussed at the ca-registrars meet last friday, and I think almost everyone there was "on the same page" in general terms, only differing in specifics or semantics. I would like to go on record with two things: 1) my experience thus far with CIRA has been pretty positive, perhaps more positive than some other registrars. Since I have not been intimately involved with the history of events over the last two years that culminates in where we are today, I may be either "too green" for the job or perhaps even naive, but I am personally of the mind that CIRA can be counted upon to do the rational thing in light of a given situation. Yes, there are problems, and yes, some things could have been implemented better than they were, but I'm confident they'll listen to reason and suggestions. 2) while I have no ill will towards Tucows, or Ross or Tim (in fact, being across the street from them we've grown to like them and we even visit socially on occasion) it does concern me that having Tim chair the ca-registrars group and then having Ross nominated as our CIRA rep may make the ca-registrars group slightly "Tucows-centric". I think that about covers my thoughts on the matter. Have a good weekend. -mark ---------------------------------- Mark Jeftovic http://www.easydns.com/ 1.416.535.8672 ----------------------------------From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Anthony Santen [anthony@canhost.ca] Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 6:57 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Important- Pay Attention to this (fwd) Although point 5 is not 100% clear in it's wording, I am 100% behind option #1. CanHost has petitioned an almost identical proposal to CIRA on September 22nd, which was rejected as unrealistic. Anthony Santen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Andersen" To: Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 8:50 AM Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Important- Pay Attention to this (fwd) > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 11:22:43 -0700 > From: Timothy M. Denton > To: CA Discussion List > Cc: Bernard Turcotte > Subject: Important- Pay Attention to this > > To the registrars: > > I am sending to you a proposal from CIRA as to how the transfer to CIRA > would occur on November 1 and in the week following, and, as an alternative, > how it might occur on November 15. Two alternatives are presented here. > > I seek your considered responses (one per company, please) to this proposal > so that we can engage CIRA in an intelligent and constructive dialogue as to > how registrars and CIRA are going to handle the > a) technical, and > b) public relations aspects of these proposals. > > It is my recommendation to the group that there should be no public > discussion of this situation until a decision is made by the registrars > group that public discussion is timely and warranted. We still have a few > days in which to sort things out. CIRA would like a response from us by 4pm > tomorrow. This may or may not be possible. If they go with a national > advertizing campaign, they want to be able to start it Monday, 23 October. > > When we have figured out our position, then we can consider how this issue > should be raised in the public mind. It is my preliminary inclination that > CIRA should be taking the responsibility for this. > > > Alternative #1 > ___________________________________________________________________ > > 1 Transfer authority to CIRA on Nov. 1 (Cdn-Net transfers authority to CIRA. > New zone file published. Names that have not been registered with CIRA will > not resolve. There are expected to be about 40,000 of them). > > 2 CIRA will not process the queued transactions for new names, and advertize > this fact, until Nov. 10th or 13th, as conditions warrant. > > 3 On Oct. 31 23:59:59 CIRA takes control of the registry and loads its zone > file, thus disabling all those that have not registered. > > 4 Registrars concentrate on serving those that need domain names restored, > for the next 7 to 9 days, as conditions warrant. > > 5 CIRA accumulates all requests for new domain names as of 001031 23:59:59 > in a single queue for a real first-come first-served (FCFS) system. > > After the EMERGENCY RUSH, CIRA turns on the CAROUSEL policy queues and gets > through them, still processing existing domain names as a priority. > > CIRA finishes these queues - 48 hours? - processes the FCFS queue (mentioned > in 5 above) - within 24 hours? - and then turns the registry back on real > time for everyone. > > ________________________________________________________ > > > Alternative #2 > > 1. Push back the transfer date 15 days from November 1 to November 15. > > 2. CIRA runs a media campaign to encourage renewals/transfers. > > 3. Such elements of the plan (Alternative #1) above as are still required > could then be put into action. > ______________________________________________________ > > Timothy Denton > Interim Coordinator > .ca-registrars > tmdenton@magma.ca > www.tmdenton.com > 613-789-5397 > > From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Ross Wm. Rader [ross@tucows.com] Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 4:46 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: RE: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Call for Nominations for Registrars' Rep to -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Rob, What time is the conference call scheduled for? < -----Original Message----- < From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net < [mailto:owner-careg-discuss@egate.net]On Behalf Of Rob Hall < Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 12:21 PM < To: careg-discuss@egate.net < Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Call for Nominations for Registrars' Rep to < < < < Mark, < < Actually, the successful candidate probably would not be < participating at < the board meeting. Rather, the current board would recognize < our right to < appoint that seat. They may also recognize the individual < elected by us, < but in cases where this has been done in the past, it was the following < board meeting where the person attended and was able to vote. < < And it would be Montreal where the next meeting is (not Ottawa) (and not < counting the board meeting happening by conference call today). < < Rob. < < At 12:28 PM 10/20/2000 -0400, Mark Jeftovic wrote: < < >I think the earlier the voting the better. It would be nice to have more < >than a day's notice if I'm going to Ottawa or not next thursday. < > < >Even voting it on tuesday would allow for more prep-time, whoever goes. < > < >-mark < > < >On 20-Oct-2000 Rob Hall wrote: < > > The schedule works for me. It is important we have our rep < before the < > next < > > CIRA board meeting. I have spoken with a board member who < will make a < > > motion to accept our rep for the next year. < > > < > > Accordingly, I hereby nominate Ross Rader of TUCOWS. Ross has been < > > involved through the ICANN process and all the trials and < tribulations < > > there, and will bring a wealth of experience to CIRA. < > > < > > I have spoken to Ross, and he will accept the nomination. < > > < > > Robert Hall. < > > < > > P.S. maybe it will be kept even simpler and we can simply < acclaim him < > > ..... (here's hoping !) < > > < > > < > > < > > At 05:34 AM 10/20/2000 -0700, you wrote: < > > < > >>To members of the .ca-registrars group. < > >> < > >>The .ca registrars wish to have a nomination period for an < election of a < > >>representative who might subsequently be appointed to the < Board of CIRA. < > >>CIRA has the authority to appoint a representative of the < registrars; we < > >>canot elect one ourselves. We can only select a person to be < our candidate. < > >>That person could come from our group, or be from outside our group. < > >> < > >>The current registrars' representative is John Demco, who < for years was the < > >>.ca domain administrator from the University of British < Columbia, and who < > >>deservedly has garnered a reputation as an unbiased servant < of the public < > >>interest. I have spoken to him about this and his view is as < follows: while < > >>he would like to continue to serve on the Board of CIRA, he does not < > feel he < > >>can or should act as the representative of the commercial registrars. < > >> < > >>Owing to the urgency of the time before the CIRA meeting on < October 26th, < > >>next Thursday, I would like to have the nomination period < close at the end < > >>of business on Monday 23 October. On Monday night an email < would go out to < > >>the list, stating the candidates' names, affiliations, and < qualifications, < > >>should they wish to present any. < > >> < > >>Members of the .ca-registrars group would vote for one of < the candidates < > >>thus nominated. A candidate would be chosen. That person < could be from this < > >>group, or someone, like John Demco, from outside this group. < That candidate < > >>would, in all probability, be selected by CIRA, once it has < determined < > where < > >>to place John Demco. < > >> < > >>1. Close of Nominations 6pm Monday < > October 23 < > >>2. Candidates signify whether they wish to stand for < election (phone or < > >>email between me and them). < > >>3. Email to list, stating names and qualifications for the task < > >> < after 6pm < > >> Ocotber 23 < > >> < > >>4. Voting begins after candidate email has been issued < > >>after 6pm Monday October 23 one vote per registrar < > >> < > >>5. Voting closes noon < > >>Wednesday October 25 < > >>6. results announced after noon on < > >>Wednesday < > >>October 25 < > >>If the group decides that the timing is too short, then < there will not < > be an < > >>election in the coming week. On the assumption, however, that this < > procedure < > >>will prove acceptable to the ca-registrar group, I am < sending out this < > >>proposal. < > >> < > >>I apologize for the speed at which we have to move, but it < seems to me we < > >>have to move fast to have a representative in place for < October 26th, so < > >>that CIRA may be able to appoint him to the Board. < > >> < > >>Timothy Denton < > >>Interim Coordinator < > >>.ca-registrars < > >>tmdenton@magma.ca < > >>www.tmdenton.com < > >>613-789-5397 < > >> < > > < > > < > > < > > -- < > > Rob Hall voice (613) 768-5100 < > > President fax (613) 820-0777 < > > Momentous.ca Corp. < > > rob@momentous.ca www.momentous.ca < > > < > > < > > < > > iti,s < > < >---------------------------------- < >Mark Jeftovic < >http://www.easydns.com/ < >http://mark.jeftovic.net/ < >---------------------------------- < < < < -- < Rob Hall voice (613) 768-5100 < President fax (613) 820-0777 < Momentous.ca Corp. < rob@momentous.ca www.momentous.ca < < < < iti,s < -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.7 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOfC85m+3tRWQJwEJEQJstwCePPU4HlMChOMQBvczOU8IDYiFz8oAniAT uM1UrVNVfDlmxsn5l+a9bGNy =gukM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Ross Wm. Rader [ross@tucows.com] Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 4:45 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] About bilingualism and the CIRA Board -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Concerning language, my position is very similar to Mark J's. While I can't be officially classed as a truely bilingual representative, I also not simply an unattached individual being put forward as a representative of ca-registrars. A large portion of "me", as a candidate, is the organization I work for. Tucows is the CIRA certified organization, Tucows is the organization with offices on three continents, Tucows is the organization that deals with it's customers in more than eight languages every single day. Ross Rader, on the other hand, is someone that has been involved with the Canadian Internet scene since '91, grew up on the outskirts of the town with the largest french-canadian population outside of Quebec and knew enough about several languages to avoid getting beat-up throughout elementary school. Without the support and involvement of Tucows, I strongly feel that I could not adequately represent ca-registrars on the CIRA board. My interest as a candidate solely lies with the equal and appropriate representation of *all* CIRA registrars regardless of language, size of business, geographical location or business interests. My goal is to ensure that this equal representation extends not only to my activities as your representative, but also to the rest of the CIRA board. My past experience thoroughly demonstrate my capability and willingness to do so. Of course, I hope all of you agree. It is important to note that I bring no specific agenda to the table, other than that outlined above. I firmly believe that our agenda must be determined as a group effort, driven by the membership of ca-registrars. I also believe that our experiences of the next few weeks will, to a large degree, guide our efforts in making this determination. While I'm at it, here are some factoids about my past experiences... Born: July 3, 1971 - Winnipeg, MB Education - 1986 - 1989, Transcona Collegiate Institute 1989 - 1991, University of Winnipeg Professional - 1985 - 1993, Sears Canada Inc Field Office Manager 1993 - 1999, Internet Direct (now Look Communications)/Tucows Interactive Technical Support Manager, Internet Direct General Manager, Internet Direct Director of Marketing, Internet Direct 1999 - present, Tucows Inc. Director of eCommerce, Tucows Director of Assigned Names Division, Tucows Professional Affiliations - RISC, Founding Director, CAIP, Associate Member (Tucows) USIIA, Vendor Member (Tucows) ISPBF, Associate Member ISP/C, Vendor Sponsor (Tucows) CIRA, Certified CIRA Registrar (Tucows) Nominet, Official Tag-holder (Registrar) (Tucows) ICANN, Accredited Registrar (Tucows) CORE, Founding Member (Tucows) My current position requires me to represent the interests of Tucows and our reseller partners in these and other venues, including our participation within ICANN's DNSO and a variety of media and industry events. I have also spoken at various Internet events for the past six years and have been quoted in a number of publications, such as Wired, The New York Times and CNN.com. I also participate as part of Tucows Executive Management team. As always, please feel free to drop me an email, or give me a call @ 416.538.5492. Thanks, - -rwr Ross Wm. Rader "Embrace the cow, love the cow. And remember, Winsock means love." -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.7 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOfC8oG+3tRWQJwEJEQL+RgCfRlEj9KdHBJm456huhrXvSqk9qCIAoMXO 4v15IB4C3ieef9EsqiUXzFQp =b7ji -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Martin Leclair [leclair@webdepart.com] Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 1:47 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Second Nomination - about french language - I understand :-) Martin Leclair [leclair@webdepart.com] Président et Éditeur -- Les Éditions WebDépart inc. ICQ : #3279314 Tel : +1 514-286-4242 #103 ____________________________________________________________________ Visitez WEBDÉPART, votre rendez-vous quotidien! http://www.webdepart.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Santen" To: Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Second Nomination - about french language - > > Would you agree if there was a problem with english services and if I told > > you : I am aware of the interest of the english speaking clients this is a > > MUST, but availability of english services should never be placed ahead of > > the functionality?. > > Absolutely. In fact, in a way we deal with languages all the time. > We don't always understand PGP or ASP or Perl. We still overcome this in > favour of resolving the issue first, then deal with the language later. > > I'm really not saying that language isn't important. It IS VERY IMPORTANT, > and it needs to be dealt with in a timely manner. I AM saying that end user > services shouldn't take a back seat to the obsticle of language. We must > overcome the language in favour of services. > > Of course, if CIRA had unlimited resources, they could deal with all issues > paralel. > > Anthony > > > > > > > Martin Leclair [leclair@webdepart.com] > > Vp développement et technologies -- Groupe iWeb > > > > ICQ : #3279314 > > Tel : +1 514-286-4242 #103 > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > > > Visitez WEBDÉPART, votre rendez-vous quotidien! > > http://www.webdepart.com > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Anthony Santen" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 4:51 PM > > Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Second Nomination - about french language - > > > > > > > I don't want to fuel this debate, and therefore my milder approach. > > > > > > I don't believe that CIRA's FIRST interest is the bilingual issue. I > > think > > > (as I'm sure 99% of us) that CIRA must address this issue adequately and > > > with 100% effort. > > > > > > - CIRA's FIRST interest MUST be to service the interest of the existing > > > names not being cut off, due to no fault of their own. > > > - CIRA's Second interest would be to allow existing registrants (cdnnet > > > registrants) to maintain their priority to their names. > > > - 3rd, in my opinion should be to maintain the new DNS so that it > > is/becomes > > > available to the Internet on the OTD > > > > > > Once these issues are dealt with adequately, we can argue over issues > such > > > as New domain names, bilingualism etc. After all, what use is a > bilingual > > > site if the systems go down. > > > > > > I completely agree with the second statement, 'aware of interests of the > > > french speaking clients' This is a MUST, but should never be placed > ahead > > > of the functionality. > > > > > > Anthony Santen > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Mark Jeftovic" > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 10:12 AM > > > Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Second Nomination - about french language - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 20-Oct-2000 Bruno Dumaine wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > Our reprensentant for the CIRA chair should be : > > > > > . first, bilingual > > > > > > > > That's not me. Just so everyone knows. > > > > > > > > > . second, aware of interest of the french speaking clients. > > > > > > > > It doesn't necessarily require that somebody speak french to > > > > understand that the website, services and system should be capable > > > > of operating in either language. (Just because I don't speak french > > > > doesn't mean nobody else does). > > > > > > > > We were mildy surprised, in fact, to not see a minimal bilingual > > > > requirement in the accreditation agreement, not that we're arguing. > > > > > > > > -mark > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------- > > > > Mark Jeftovic > > > > http://www.easydns.com/ > > > > http://mark.jeftovic.net/ > > > > ---------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Anthony Santen [anthony@canhost.ca] Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 4:44 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Second Nomination - about french language - > Would you agree if there was a problem with english services and if I told > you : I am aware of the interest of the english speaking clients this is a > MUST, but availability of english services should never be placed ahead of > the functionality?. Absolutely. In fact, in a way we deal with languages all the time. We don't always understand PGP or ASP or Perl. We still overcome this in favour of resolving the issue first, then deal with the language later. I'm really not saying that language isn't important. It IS VERY IMPORTANT, and it needs to be dealt with in a timely manner. I AM saying that end user services shouldn't take a back seat to the obsticle of language. We must overcome the language in favour of services. Of course, if CIRA had unlimited resources, they could deal with all issues paralel. Anthony > > > Martin Leclair [leclair@webdepart.com] > Vp développement et technologies -- Groupe iWeb > > ICQ : #3279314 > Tel : +1 514-286-4242 #103 > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > Visitez WEBDÉPART, votre rendez-vous quotidien! > http://www.webdepart.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anthony Santen" > To: > Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 4:51 PM > Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Second Nomination - about french language - > > > > I don't want to fuel this debate, and therefore my milder approach. > > > > I don't believe that CIRA's FIRST interest is the bilingual issue. I > think > > (as I'm sure 99% of us) that CIRA must address this issue adequately and > > with 100% effort. > > > > - CIRA's FIRST interest MUST be to service the interest of the existing > > names not being cut off, due to no fault of their own. > > - CIRA's Second interest would be to allow existing registrants (cdnnet > > registrants) to maintain their priority to their names. > > - 3rd, in my opinion should be to maintain the new DNS so that it > is/becomes > > available to the Internet on the OTD > > > > Once these issues are dealt with adequately, we can argue over issues such > > as New domain names, bilingualism etc. After all, what use is a bilingual > > site if the systems go down. > > > > I completely agree with the second statement, 'aware of interests of the > > french speaking clients' This is a MUST, but should never be placed ahead > > of the functionality. > > > > Anthony Santen > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mark Jeftovic" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 10:12 AM > > Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Second Nomination - about french language - > > > > > > > > > > On 20-Oct-2000 Bruno Dumaine wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > Our reprensentant for the CIRA chair should be : > > > > . first, bilingual > > > > > > That's not me. Just so everyone knows. > > > > > > > . second, aware of interest of the french speaking clients. > > > > > > It doesn't necessarily require that somebody speak french to > > > understand that the website, services and system should be capable > > > of operating in either language. (Just because I don't speak french > > > doesn't mean nobody else does). > > > > > > We were mildy surprised, in fact, to not see a minimal bilingual > > > requirement in the accreditation agreement, not that we're arguing. > > > > > > -mark > > > > > > ---------------------------------- > > > Mark Jeftovic > > > http://www.easydns.com/ > > > http://mark.jeftovic.net/ > > > ---------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Mark Jeftovic [markjr@easydns.com] Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 1:33 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: RE: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Sec On 20-Oct-2000 Martin Leclair wrote: > >>It doesn't necessarily require that somebody speak french to >>understand that the website, services and system should be capable >>of operating in either language. > > I agree with that. But what if there is a new french-only registrar and > that he wants to discuss some issues with you. He does not talk english and > you don't talk french. Will there be a way to bring those issues to you? > I'm sure something can be figured out. Speaking from experience, we have DNS users in over 40 countries and not all of them speak english. Sometimes we've had support issues or registry communicatons emailed to us in another language, to which we usually respond (in english) along the lines of "stand by we while figure this out, if you can re-transmit in english it would be a big help". Then we've gone and run emails through Babelfish, we've asked our friends idling in #php (or elsewhere) to translate, we've called family members, etc. At the end of the day we've muddled through when it came up. I think it's managable regardless of who gets the vote. -mark ---------------------------------- Mark Jeftovic http://www.easydns.com/ http://mark.jeftovic.net/ ----------------------------------From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Martin Leclair [leclair@webdepart.com] Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 1:23 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Second Nomination - about french language - >I don't want to fuel this debate Me neither. :-) >I completely agree with the second statement, 'aware of interests of the >french speaking clients' This is a MUST, but should never be placed ahead >of the functionality. Would you agree if there was a problem with english services and if I told you : I am aware of the interest of the english speaking clients this is a MUST, but availability of english services should never be placed ahead of the functionality?. Martin Leclair [leclair@webdepart.com] Vp développement et technologies -- Groupe iWeb ICQ : #3279314 Tel : +1 514-286-4242 #103 ____________________________________________________________________ Visitez WEBDÉPART, votre rendez-vous quotidien! http://www.webdepart.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Santen" To: Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Second Nomination - about french language - > I don't want to fuel this debate, and therefore my milder approach. > > I don't believe that CIRA's FIRST interest is the bilingual issue. I think > (as I'm sure 99% of us) that CIRA must address this issue adequately and > with 100% effort. > > - CIRA's FIRST interest MUST be to service the interest of the existing > names not being cut off, due to no fault of their own. > - CIRA's Second interest would be to allow existing registrants (cdnnet > registrants) to maintain their priority to their names. > - 3rd, in my opinion should be to maintain the new DNS so that it is/becomes > available to the Internet on the OTD > > Once these issues are dealt with adequately, we can argue over issues such > as New domain names, bilingualism etc. After all, what use is a bilingual > site if the systems go down. > > I completely agree with the second statement, 'aware of interests of the > french speaking clients' This is a MUST, but should never be placed ahead > of the functionality. > > Anthony Santen > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Jeftovic" > To: > Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 10:12 AM > Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Second Nomination - about french language - > > > > > > On 20-Oct-2000 Bruno Dumaine wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > Our reprensentant for the CIRA chair should be : > > > . first, bilingual > > > > That's not me. Just so everyone knows. > > > > > . second, aware of interest of the french speaking clients. > > > > It doesn't necessarily require that somebody speak french to > > understand that the website, services and system should be capable > > of operating in either language. (Just because I don't speak french > > doesn't mean nobody else does). > > > > We were mildy surprised, in fact, to not see a minimal bilingual > > requirement in the accreditation agreement, not that we're arguing. > > > > -mark > > > > ---------------------------------- > > Mark Jeftovic > > http://www.easydns.com/ > > http://mark.jeftovic.net/ > > ---------------------------------- > > > > From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Anthony Santen [anthony@canhost.ca] Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 3:51 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Second Nomination - about french language - I don't want to fuel this debate, and therefore my milder approach. I don't believe that CIRA's FIRST interest is the bilingual issue. I think (as I'm sure 99% of us) that CIRA must address this issue adequately and with 100% effort. - CIRA's FIRST interest MUST be to service the interest of the existing names not being cut off, due to no fault of their own. - CIRA's Second interest would be to allow existing registrants (cdnnet registrants) to maintain their priority to their names. - 3rd, in my opinion should be to maintain the new DNS so that it is/becomes available to the Internet on the OTD Once these issues are dealt with adequately, we can argue over issues such as New domain names, bilingualism etc. After all, what use is a bilingual site if the systems go down. I completely agree with the second statement, 'aware of interests of the french speaking clients' This is a MUST, but should never be placed ahead of the functionality. Anthony Santen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jeftovic" To: Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Second Nomination - about french language - > > On 20-Oct-2000 Bruno Dumaine wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Our reprensentant for the CIRA chair should be : > > . first, bilingual > > That's not me. Just so everyone knows. > > > . second, aware of interest of the french speaking clients. > > It doesn't necessarily require that somebody speak french to > understand that the website, services and system should be capable > of operating in either language. (Just because I don't speak french > doesn't mean nobody else does). > > We were mildy surprised, in fact, to not see a minimal bilingual > requirement in the accreditation agreement, not that we're arguing. > > -mark > > ---------------------------------- > Mark Jeftovic > http://www.easydns.com/ > http://mark.jeftovic.net/ > ---------------------------------- > From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Martin Leclair [leclair@webdepart.com] Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 1:11 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Second Nomination - about french language - à propos du français >It doesn't necessarily require that somebody speak french to >understand that the website, services and system should be capable >of operating in either language. I agree with that. But what if there is a new french-only registrar and that he wants to discuss some issues with you. He does not talk english and you don't talk french. Will there be a way to bring those issues to you? The person that represents us on the Cira board does not have to talk french but my main language is french it is easier for me to explain my concerns in french. If the representant does not talk french it would be important for me to be able to communicate with him (by email) in french or at least explain my problem in french if I have important issues to discuss. As long as I can send my explaination in french and that he can understand it (with the help of someone else maybe) and that I don't feel like giving him a headache everytime I send some concerns in french it's ok for me. It would also be great to have the minutes of the meetings available in french to. I can personnaly handle the minutes in english but I always think of the possibility of a french only registrar. Actually I think he would be excluded of the group which should not be the case. My "I agree" answer was about the fact that there is a problem on the french side of CIRA. Bernard's first language is french but all emails he sents to the registrars are only in english. We obtain french answers only when we ask him questions. I can live with that at this time because I guess he has a big work load and does not have the time to translate everything but hope in the future his general emails will be in french too ... Martin Leclair [leclair@webdepart.com] Président et Éditeur -- Les Éditions WebDépart inc. ICQ : #3279314 Tel : +1 514-286-4242 #103 ____________________________________________________________________ Visitez WEBDÉPART, votre rendez-vous quotidien! http://www.webdepart.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Hall" To: ; Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 1:12 PM Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Second Nomination - about french language - à propos du français > Actually, lets be clear on our terminology here: > > It is NOT the CIRA CHAIR we are talking about, but rather just the > registrar seat on the CIRA board. > > I do not agree that our candidate must be bilingual. I think that the > candidate must represent all the registrars, but the CIRA board meetings > are held in english. I do not agree that someone who does not speak french > can not represent those bilingual registrars as well as someone who is > bilingual. I think picking the best person that can represent our > interests is the most important criteria, rather than how many languages > they speak. > > I think CIRA has done an admiral job of trying to work in both > languages. Bernard's first language if French, and we often find that tech > specs come out in french first. As to other documents, the CIRA board and > lawyers work in English, so they must have things translated. To my > knowledge, all documents are available in both languages, and all messages > to the public from CIRA have been bilingual. > > Their website is also bilingual, so I think you may want to gently remind > them to point acei.ca to their website. I bet it is just an oversight. > > As to the comments on CIRA's inability to handle french characters, they > probably should have in the information about the registrant, and I bet > they will in the near future. As to multi-lingual domain names, that is an > entire different set of issues that will need to be worked out well before > any registrations are accepted. Sounds like a great thing for the CIRA > board to deal with in the future. > > The cdnnet.ca site is NOT maintained by CIRA, but by UBC .... the update > function there has nothing to do with CIRA, and you may want to take that > complaint up with UBC (but seeing as how they have never been billingual, > and are basically shutting down shortly, I doubt you will get anywhere). > > Rob. > > At 12:59 PM 10/20/2000 -0400, Paul Andersen wrote: > > >Mr. Dumaine, > > > > I think to restrict the choice of a chair representing the > >interests of registrars is a good idea. I do agree that our rep should > >address the concerns such as this from our registrars. There would be > >nothing stopping RISQ from making its views known to the final choice of > >candidate and having he or she bring those issues to the table. > > > > > >*fingers crossed that we are not opening pandora's box here* > > > >p. > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Our reprensentant for the CIRA chair should be : > > > . first, bilingual > > > . second, aware of interest of the french speaking clients. > > > > > > It's clear that CIRA doesn't have really preoccupations about these > > > clients : each time they have a document like ADR, new registration > > > rules, ..., they put in first on their web site in english and a few > > > days later, after translation I suppose, in french. > > > > > > Another points : > > > . they don't care about the accented characters and they accept files of > > > registrants without accents even if the client had accented characters > > > in his file at UBC. > > > . "cdnnet.ca/update" is the fatest way to made updates ... but there's > > > no french part on this web site : so we've got more job to handle these > > > clients. > > > . there's no "acei.ca" web site ! > > > > > > Our francophone clients in the Quebec province are fed up with such a > > > way of doing, so do I. > > > > > > That's why I'm waiting for a bilingual message of every candidate who > > > wants to be representant of the registrar community about theses > > > concerns. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Bruno Dumaine > > > > > > > > > Bonjour, > > > > > > Notre représentant sur le conseil d'administration de l'ACEI devrait : > > > . en premier, être bilingue > > > . en second, être conscient des intêrets des clients francophones. > > > > > > C'est clair que l'ACEI n'a pas vraiment de préoccupation au sujet de ces > > > clients : chaque fois qu'ils produisent un document tel que le RED, les > > > nouvelles règles d'enregistrement, ..., il est en premier sur leur site > > > web en anglais puis, quelques jours après, après traduction je suppose, > > > en français. > > > > > > D'autres points : > > > . ils s'en foutent des caractères accentués et acceptent des dossiers de > > > titulaires sans accents, même si leur dossier en comportait à UBC. > > > . "cdnnet/update" est la façon la plus rapide de faire des mises à jour > > > ... mais il n'y a rien en français sur leur site : ainsi nous avons plus > > > de travail à gérer ces clients. > > > . il n'y a pas de site web "acei.ca" ! > > > > > > Nos clients francophones dans la province de Québec sont tannés de cet > > > état de fait, et moi aussi. > > > > > > C'est pourquoi j'attends un message bilingue de chaque candidat qui > > > souhaite représenter la communauté des registraires à propos de ces > > > préoccupations. > > > > > > Salutations, > > > > > > Bruno Dumaine > > > > > > > > > > > > Paul Andersen a écrit : > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to nominate Mark Jeftovic of easyDNS for the CIRA > > chair. Mark > > > > was a co-founder of easyDNS and has a vast experience both technical and > > > > administratively in this area and would represent us well at CIRA. > > > > > > > > I have discussed this with Mr. Jeftovic and he has accepted this > > > > nomination. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Paul Andersen > > > > E-Gate Communications Inc. > > > > > > > > --- > > > > Paul Andersen (InterNIC:PA137) paul@egate.net > > > > E-Gate Communications Inc. T: +1 (416) 447-7700x23 > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Bruno Dumaine, ing. Directeur des services / Services Manager > > > mailto:bruno.dumaine@risq.qc.ca http://www.risq.qc.ca > > > > > > Pour renouveler votre NOM DE DOMAINE http://www.webdomaine.qc.ca > > > For renewal of your DOMAIN NAME http://www.webdomain.qc.ca > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > > > T: 514-845-7181 # 228 Réseau d'Informations Scientifiques du Québec > > > F: 514-845-8083 550, Sherbrooke ouest, Tour Ouest, bureau 250 > > > Montréal (Québec) Canada H3A 1B9 > > > > > > > > >--- > >Paul Andersen (InterNIC:PA137) paul@egate.net > >E-Gate Communications Inc. T: +1 (416) 447-7700x23 > > > > "How many PIDs could a SIGHUP HUP if a SIGHUP could HUP PIDs?" > > > > -- > Rob Hall voice (613) 768-5100 > President fax (613) 820-0777 > Momentous.ca Corp. > rob@momentous.ca www.momentous.ca > > > > iti,s > > From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Mark Jeftovic [markjr@easydns.com] Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 12:24 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Call for Nominations for Registrars' Rep to Ok thanks for the info. Don't worry, if I get the nod I'll actually start paying attention to this stuff. -mark On 20-Oct-2000 Rob Hall wrote: > Mark, > > Actually, the successful candidate probably would not be participating at > the board meeting. Rather, the current board would recognize our right to > appoint that seat. They may also recognize the individual elected by us, > but in cases where this has been done in the past, it was the following > board meeting where the person attended and was able to vote. > > And it would be Montreal where the next meeting is (not Ottawa) (and not > counting the board meeting happening by conference call today). > > Rob. > > At 12:28 PM 10/20/2000 -0400, Mark Jeftovic wrote: > >>I think the earlier the voting the better. It would be nice to have more >>than a day's notice if I'm going to Ottawa or not next thursday. >> >>Even voting it on tuesday would allow for more prep-time, whoever goes. >> >>-mark >> >>On 20-Oct-2000 Rob Hall wrote: >> > The schedule works for me. It is important we have our rep before the >> next >> > CIRA board meeting. I have spoken with a board member who will make a >> > motion to accept our rep for the next year. >> > >> > Accordingly, I hereby nominate Ross Rader of TUCOWS. Ross has been >> > involved through the ICANN process and all the trials and tribulations >> > there, and will bring a wealth of experience to CIRA. >> > >> > I have spoken to Ross, and he will accept the nomination. >> > >> > Robert Hall. >> > >> > P.S. maybe it will be kept even simpler and we can simply acclaim him >> > ..... (here's hoping !) >> > >> > >> > >> > At 05:34 AM 10/20/2000 -0700, you wrote: >> > >> >>To members of the .ca-registrars group. >> >> >> >>The .ca registrars wish to have a nomination period for an election of a >> >>representative who might subsequently be appointed to the Board of CIRA. >> >>CIRA has the authority to appoint a representative of the registrars; we >> >>canot elect one ourselves. We can only select a person to be our >> >>candidate. >> >>That person could come from our group, or be from outside our group. >> >> >> >>The current registrars' representative is John Demco, who for years was >> >>the >> >>.ca domain administrator from the University of British Columbia, and who >> >>deservedly has garnered a reputation as an unbiased servant of the public >> >>interest. I have spoken to him about this and his view is as follows: >> >>while >> >>he would like to continue to serve on the Board of CIRA, he does not >> feel he >> >>can or should act as the representative of the commercial registrars. >> >> >> >>Owing to the urgency of the time before the CIRA meeting on October 26th, >> >>next Thursday, I would like to have the nomination period close at the end >> >>of business on Monday 23 October. On Monday night an email would go out to >> >>the list, stating the candidates' names, affiliations, and qualifications, >> >>should they wish to present any. >> >> >> >>Members of the .ca-registrars group would vote for one of the candidates >> >>thus nominated. A candidate would be chosen. That person could be from >> >>this >> >>group, or someone, like John Demco, from outside this group. That >> >>candidate >> >>would, in all probability, be selected by CIRA, once it has determined >> where >> >>to place John Demco. >> >> >> >>1. Close of Nominations 6pm Monday >> October 23 >> >>2. Candidates signify whether they wish to stand for election (phone or >> >>email between me and them). >> >>3. Email to list, stating names and qualifications for the task >> >> after 6pm >> >> Ocotber 23 >> >> >> >>4. Voting begins after candidate email has been issued >> >>after 6pm Monday October 23 one vote per registrar >> >> >> >>5. Voting closes noon >> >>Wednesday October 25 >> >>6. results announced after noon on >> >>Wednesday >> >>October 25 >> >>If the group decides that the timing is too short, then there will not >> be an >> >>election in the coming week. On the assumption, however, that this >> procedure >> >>will prove acceptable to the ca-registrar group, I am sending out this >> >>proposal. >> >> >> >>I apologize for the speed at which we have to move, but it seems to me we >> >>have to move fast to have a representative in place for October 26th, so >> >>that CIRA may be able to appoint him to the Board. >> >> >> >>Timothy Denton >> >>Interim Coordinator >> >>.ca-registrars >> >>tmdenton@magma.ca >> >>www.tmdenton.com >> >>613-789-5397 >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Rob Hall voice (613) 768-5100 >> > President fax (613) 820-0777 >> > Momentous.ca Corp. >> > rob@momentous.ca www.momentous.ca >> > >> > >> > >> > iti,s >> >>---------------------------------- >>Mark Jeftovic >>http://www.easydns.com/ >>http://mark.jeftovic.net/ >>---------------------------------- > > > > -- > Rob Hall voice (613) 768-5100 > President fax (613) 820-0777 > Momentous.ca Corp. > rob@momentous.ca www.momentous.ca > > > > iti,s ---------------------------------- Mark Jeftovic http://www.easydns.com/ http://mark.jeftovic.net/ ----------------------------------From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Rob Hall [rob@momentous.ca] Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 12:21 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Call for Nominations for Registrars' Rep to Mark, Actually, the successful candidate probably would not be participating at the board meeting. Rather, the current board would recognize our right to appoint that seat. They may also recognize the individual elected by us, but in cases where this has been done in the past, it was the following board meeting where the person attended and was able to vote. And it would be Montreal where the next meeting is (not Ottawa) (and not counting the board meeting happening by conference call today). Rob. At 12:28 PM 10/20/2000 -0400, Mark Jeftovic wrote: >I think the earlier the voting the better. It would be nice to have more >than a day's notice if I'm going to Ottawa or not next thursday. > >Even voting it on tuesday would allow for more prep-time, whoever goes. > >-mark > >On 20-Oct-2000 Rob Hall wrote: > > The schedule works for me. It is important we have our rep before the > next > > CIRA board meeting. I have spoken with a board member who will make a > > motion to accept our rep for the next year. > > > > Accordingly, I hereby nominate Ross Rader of TUCOWS. Ross has been > > involved through the ICANN process and all the trials and tribulations > > there, and will bring a wealth of experience to CIRA. > > > > I have spoken to Ross, and he will accept the nomination. > > > > Robert Hall. > > > > P.S. maybe it will be kept even simpler and we can simply acclaim him > > ..... (here's hoping !) > > > > > > > > At 05:34 AM 10/20/2000 -0700, you wrote: > > > >>To members of the .ca-registrars group. > >> > >>The .ca registrars wish to have a nomination period for an election of a > >>representative who might subsequently be appointed to the Board of CIRA. > >>CIRA has the authority to appoint a representative of the registrars; we > >>canot elect one ourselves. We can only select a person to be our candidate. > >>That person could come from our group, or be from outside our group. > >> > >>The current registrars' representative is John Demco, who for years was the > >>.ca domain administrator from the University of British Columbia, and who > >>deservedly has garnered a reputation as an unbiased servant of the public > >>interest. I have spoken to him about this and his view is as follows: while > >>he would like to continue to serve on the Board of CIRA, he does not > feel he > >>can or should act as the representative of the commercial registrars. > >> > >>Owing to the urgency of the time before the CIRA meeting on October 26th, > >>next Thursday, I would like to have the nomination period close at the end > >>of business on Monday 23 October. On Monday night an email would go out to > >>the list, stating the candidates' names, affiliations, and qualifications, > >>should they wish to present any. > >> > >>Members of the .ca-registrars group would vote for one of the candidates > >>thus nominated. A candidate would be chosen. That person could be from this > >>group, or someone, like John Demco, from outside this group. That candidate > >>would, in all probability, be selected by CIRA, once it has determined > where > >>to place John Demco. > >> > >>1. Close of Nominations 6pm Monday > October 23 > >>2. Candidates signify whether they wish to stand for election (phone or > >>email between me and them). > >>3. Email to list, stating names and qualifications for the task > >> after 6pm > >> Ocotber 23 > >> > >>4. Voting begins after candidate email has been issued > >>after 6pm Monday October 23 one vote per registrar > >> > >>5. Voting closes noon > >>Wednesday October 25 > >>6. results announced after noon on > >>Wednesday > >>October 25 > >>If the group decides that the timing is too short, then there will not > be an > >>election in the coming week. On the assumption, however, that this > procedure > >>will prove acceptable to the ca-registrar group, I am sending out this > >>proposal. > >> > >>I apologize for the speed at which we have to move, but it seems to me we > >>have to move fast to have a representative in place for October 26th, so > >>that CIRA may be able to appoint him to the Board. > >> > >>Timothy Denton > >>Interim Coordinator > >>.ca-registrars > >>tmdenton@magma.ca > >>www.tmdenton.com > >>613-789-5397 > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Rob Hall voice (613) 768-5100 > > President fax (613) 820-0777 > > Momentous.ca Corp. > > rob@momentous.ca www.momentous.ca > > > > > > > > iti,s > >---------------------------------- >Mark Jeftovic >http://www.easydns.com/ >http://mark.jeftovic.net/ >---------------------------------- -- Rob Hall voice (613) 768-5100 President fax (613) 820-0777 Momentous.ca Corp. rob@momentous.ca www.momentous.ca iti,s From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Mark Jeftovic [markjr@easydns.com] Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 12:13 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Second Nomination - about french language - On 20-Oct-2000 Bruno Dumaine wrote: > Hi, > > Our reprensentant for the CIRA chair should be : > . first, bilingual That's not me. Just so everyone knows. > . second, aware of interest of the french speaking clients. It doesn't necessarily require that somebody speak french to understand that the website, services and system should be capable of operating in either language. (Just because I don't speak french doesn't mean nobody else does). We were mildy surprised, in fact, to not see a minimal bilingual requirement in the accreditation agreement, not that we're arguing. -mark ---------------------------------- Mark Jeftovic http://www.easydns.com/ http://mark.jeftovic.net/ ----------------------------------From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Rob Hall [rob@momentous.ca] Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 12:13 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net; careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Second Nomination - about french language - à propos du français Actually, lets be clear on our terminology here: It is NOT the CIRA CHAIR we are talking about, but rather just the registrar seat on the CIRA board. I do not agree that our candidate must be bilingual. I think that the candidate must represent all the registrars, but the CIRA board meetings are held in english. I do not agree that someone who does not speak french can not represent those bilingual registrars as well as someone who is bilingual. I think picking the best person that can represent our interests is the most important criteria, rather than how many languages they speak. I think CIRA has done an admiral job of trying to work in both languages. Bernard's first language if French, and we often find that tech specs come out in french first. As to other documents, the CIRA board and lawyers work in English, so they must have things translated. To my knowledge, all documents are available in both languages, and all messages to the public from CIRA have been bilingual. Their website is also bilingual, so I think you may want to gently remind them to point acei.ca to their website. I bet it is just an oversight. As to the comments on CIRA's inability to handle french characters, they probably should have in the information about the registrant, and I bet they will in the near future. As to multi-lingual domain names, that is an entire different set of issues that will need to be worked out well before any registrations are accepted. Sounds like a great thing for the CIRA board to deal with in the future. The cdnnet.ca site is NOT maintained by CIRA, but by UBC .... the update function there has nothing to do with CIRA, and you may want to take that complaint up with UBC (but seeing as how they have never been billingual, and are basically shutting down shortly, I doubt you will get anywhere). Rob. At 12:59 PM 10/20/2000 -0400, Paul Andersen wrote: >Mr. Dumaine, > > I think to restrict the choice of a chair representing the >interests of registrars is a good idea. I do agree that our rep should >address the concerns such as this from our registrars. There would be >nothing stopping RISQ from making its views known to the final choice of >candidate and having he or she bring those issues to the table. > > >*fingers crossed that we are not opening pandora's box here* > >p. > > > > Hi, > > > > Our reprensentant for the CIRA chair should be : > > . first, bilingual > > . second, aware of interest of the french speaking clients. > > > > It's clear that CIRA doesn't have really preoccupations about these > > clients : each time they have a document like ADR, new registration > > rules, ..., they put in first on their web site in english and a few > > days later, after translation I suppose, in french. > > > > Another points : > > . they don't care about the accented characters and they accept files of > > registrants without accents even if the client had accented characters > > in his file at UBC. > > . "cdnnet.ca/update" is the fatest way to made updates ... but there's > > no french part on this web site : so we've got more job to handle these > > clients. > > . there's no "acei.ca" web site ! > > > > Our francophone clients in the Quebec province are fed up with such a > > way of doing, so do I. > > > > That's why I'm waiting for a bilingual message of every candidate who > > wants to be representant of the registrar community about theses > > concerns. > > > > Regards, > > > > Bruno Dumaine > > > > > > Bonjour, > > > > Notre représentant sur le conseil d'administration de l'ACEI devrait : > > . en premier, être bilingue > > . en second, être conscient des intêrets des clients francophones. > > > > C'est clair que l'ACEI n'a pas vraiment de préoccupation au sujet de ces > > clients : chaque fois qu'ils produisent un document tel que le RED, les > > nouvelles règles d'enregistrement, ..., il est en premier sur leur site > > web en anglais puis, quelques jours après, après traduction je suppose, > > en français. > > > > D'autres points : > > . ils s'en foutent des caractères accentués et acceptent des dossiers de > > titulaires sans accents, même si leur dossier en comportait à UBC. > > . "cdnnet/update" est la façon la plus rapide de faire des mises à jour > > ... mais il n'y a rien en français sur leur site : ainsi nous avons plus > > de travail à gérer ces clients. > > . il n'y a pas de site web "acei.ca" ! > > > > Nos clients francophones dans la province de Québec sont tannés de cet > > état de fait, et moi aussi. > > > > C'est pourquoi j'attends un message bilingue de chaque candidat qui > > souhaite représenter la communauté des registraires à propos de ces > > préoccupations. > > > > Salutations, > > > > Bruno Dumaine > > > > > > > > Paul Andersen a écrit : > > > > > > > > > I would like to nominate Mark Jeftovic of easyDNS for the CIRA > chair. Mark > > > was a co-founder of easyDNS and has a vast experience both technical and > > > administratively in this area and would represent us well at CIRA. > > > > > > I have discussed this with Mr. Jeftovic and he has accepted this > > > nomination. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Paul Andersen > > > E-Gate Communications Inc. > > > > > > --- > > > Paul Andersen (InterNIC:PA137) paul@egate.net > > > E-Gate Communications Inc. T: +1 (416) 447-7700x23 > > > > -- > > > > Bruno Dumaine, ing. Directeur des services / Services Manager > > mailto:bruno.dumaine@risq.qc.ca http://www.risq.qc.ca > > > > Pour renouveler votre NOM DE DOMAINE http://www.webdomaine.qc.ca > > For renewal of your DOMAIN NAME http://www.webdomain.qc.ca > > _____________________________________________________________________ > > T: 514-845-7181 # 228 Réseau d'Informations Scientifiques du Québec > > F: 514-845-8083 550, Sherbrooke ouest, Tour Ouest, bureau 250 > > Montréal (Québec) Canada H3A 1B9 > > > > >--- >Paul Andersen (InterNIC:PA137) paul@egate.net >E-Gate Communications Inc. T: +1 (416) 447-7700x23 > > "How many PIDs could a SIGHUP HUP if a SIGHUP could HUP PIDs?" -- Rob Hall voice (613) 768-5100 President fax (613) 820-0777 Momentous.ca Corp. rob@momentous.ca www.momentous.ca iti,s From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Martin Leclair [leclair@webdepart.com] Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 12:04 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Second Nomination - about french language - à propos du français I agree with Bruno there is currently a problem with the french side of CIRA. Martin Leclair [leclair@webdepart.com] VP Développement et technologies -- Groupe iWeb ICQ : #3279314 Tel : +1 514-286-4242 #103 ____________________________________________________________________ Visitez WEBDÉPART, votre rendez-vous quotidien! http://www.webdepart.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruno Dumaine" To: Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Second Nomination - about french language - à propos du français > Hi, > > Our reprensentant for the CIRA chair should be : > . first, bilingual > . second, aware of interest of the french speaking clients. > > It's clear that CIRA doesn't have really preoccupations about these > clients : each time they have a document like ADR, new registration > rules, ..., they put in first on their web site in english and a few > days later, after translation I suppose, in french. > > Another points : > . they don't care about the accented characters and they accept files of > registrants without accents even if the client had accented characters > in his file at UBC. > . "cdnnet.ca/update" is the fatest way to made updates ... but there's > no french part on this web site : so we've got more job to handle these > clients. > . there's no "acei.ca" web site ! > > Our francophone clients in the Quebec province are fed up with such a > way of doing, so do I. > > That's why I'm waiting for a bilingual message of every candidate who > wants to be representant of the registrar community about theses > concerns. > > Regards, > > Bruno Dumaine > > > Bonjour, > > Notre représentant sur le conseil d'administration de l'ACEI devrait : > . en premier, être bilingue > . en second, être conscient des intêrets des clients francophones. > > C'est clair que l'ACEI n'a pas vraiment de préoccupation au sujet de ces > clients : chaque fois qu'ils produisent un document tel que le RED, les > nouvelles règles d'enregistrement, ..., il est en premier sur leur site > web en anglais puis, quelques jours après, après traduction je suppose, > en français. > > D'autres points : > . ils s'en foutent des caractères accentués et acceptent des dossiers de > titulaires sans accents, même si leur dossier en comportait à UBC. > . "cdnnet/update" est la façon la plus rapide de faire des mises à jour > ... mais il n'y a rien en français sur leur site : ainsi nous avons plus > de travail à gérer ces clients. > . il n'y a pas de site web "acei.ca" ! > > Nos clients francophones dans la province de Québec sont tannés de cet > état de fait, et moi aussi. > > C'est pourquoi j'attends un message bilingue de chaque candidat qui > souhaite représenter la communauté des registraires à propos de ces > préoccupations. > > Salutations, > > Bruno Dumaine > > > > Paul Andersen a écrit : > > > > > > I would like to nominate Mark Jeftovic of easyDNS for the CIRA chair. Mark > > was a co-founder of easyDNS and has a vast experience both technical and > > administratively in this area and would represent us well at CIRA. > > > > I have discussed this with Mr. Jeftovic and he has accepted this > > nomination. > > > > Regards, > > > > Paul Andersen > > E-Gate Communications Inc. > > > > --- > > Paul Andersen (InterNIC:PA137) paul@egate.net > > E-Gate Communications Inc. T: +1 (416) 447-7700x23 > > -- > > Bruno Dumaine, ing. Directeur des services / Services Manager > mailto:bruno.dumaine@risq.qc.ca http://www.risq.qc.ca > > Pour renouveler votre NOM DE DOMAINE http://www.webdomaine.qc.ca > For renewal of your DOMAIN NAME http://www.webdomain.qc.ca > _____________________________________________________________________ > T: 514-845-7181 # 228 Réseau d'Informations Scientifiques du Québec > F: 514-845-8083 550, Sherbrooke ouest, Tour Ouest, bureau 250 > Montréal (Québec) Canada H3A 1B9 > From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Paul Andersen [paul@egate.net] Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 11:59 AM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Second Nomination - about french language - à propos du français Mr. Dumaine, I think to restrict the choice of a chair representing the interests of registrars is a good idea. I do agree that our rep should address the concerns such as this from our registrars. There would be nothing stopping RISQ from making its views known to the final choice of candidate and having he or she bring those issues to the table. *fingers crossed that we are not opening pandora's box here* p. > Hi, > > Our reprensentant for the CIRA chair should be : > . first, bilingual > . second, aware of interest of the french speaking clients. > > It's clear that CIRA doesn't have really preoccupations about these > clients : each time they have a document like ADR, new registration > rules, ..., they put in first on their web site in english and a few > days later, after translation I suppose, in french. > > Another points : > . they don't care about the accented characters and they accept files of > registrants without accents even if the client had accented characters > in his file at UBC. > . "cdnnet.ca/update" is the fatest way to made updates ... but there's > no french part on this web site : so we've got more job to handle these > clients. > . there's no "acei.ca" web site ! > > Our francophone clients in the Quebec province are fed up with such a > way of doing, so do I. > > That's why I'm waiting for a bilingual message of every candidate who > wants to be representant of the registrar community about theses > concerns. > > Regards, > > Bruno Dumaine > > > Bonjour, > > Notre représentant sur le conseil d'administration de l'ACEI devrait : > . en premier, être bilingue > . en second, être conscient des intêrets des clients francophones. > > C'est clair que l'ACEI n'a pas vraiment de préoccupation au sujet de ces > clients : chaque fois qu'ils produisent un document tel que le RED, les > nouvelles règles d'enregistrement, ..., il est en premier sur leur site > web en anglais puis, quelques jours après, après traduction je suppose, > en français. > > D'autres points : > . ils s'en foutent des caractères accentués et acceptent des dossiers de > titulaires sans accents, même si leur dossier en comportait à UBC. > . "cdnnet/update" est la façon la plus rapide de faire des mises à jour > ... mais il n'y a rien en français sur leur site : ainsi nous avons plus > de travail à gérer ces clients. > . il n'y a pas de site web "acei.ca" ! > > Nos clients francophones dans la province de Québec sont tannés de cet > état de fait, et moi aussi. > > C'est pourquoi j'attends un message bilingue de chaque candidat qui > souhaite représenter la communauté des registraires à propos de ces > préoccupations. > > Salutations, > > Bruno Dumaine > > > > Paul Andersen a écrit : > > > > > > I would like to nominate Mark Jeftovic of easyDNS for the CIRA chair. Mark > > was a co-founder of easyDNS and has a vast experience both technical and > > administratively in this area and would represent us well at CIRA. > > > > I have discussed this with Mr. Jeftovic and he has accepted this > > nomination. > > > > Regards, > > > > Paul Andersen > > E-Gate Communications Inc. > > > > --- > > Paul Andersen (InterNIC:PA137) paul@egate.net > > E-Gate Communications Inc. T: +1 (416) 447-7700x23 > > -- > > Bruno Dumaine, ing. Directeur des services / Services Manager > mailto:bruno.dumaine@risq.qc.ca http://www.risq.qc.ca > > Pour renouveler votre NOM DE DOMAINE http://www.webdomaine.qc.ca > For renewal of your DOMAIN NAME http://www.webdomain.qc.ca > _____________________________________________________________________ > T: 514-845-7181 # 228 Réseau d'Informations Scientifiques du Québec > F: 514-845-8083 550, Sherbrooke ouest, Tour Ouest, bureau 250 > Montréal (Québec) Canada H3A 1B9 > --- Paul Andersen (InterNIC:PA137) paul@egate.net E-Gate Communications Inc. T: +1 (416) 447-7700x23 "How many PIDs could a SIGHUP HUP if a SIGHUP could HUP PIDs?" From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Bruno Dumaine [bruno.dumaine@risq.qc.ca] Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 11:51 AM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Second Nomination - about french language - à propos du français Hi, Our reprensentant for the CIRA chair should be : . first, bilingual . second, aware of interest of the french speaking clients. It's clear that CIRA doesn't have really preoccupations about these clients : each time they have a document like ADR, new registration rules, ..., they put in first on their web site in english and a few days later, after translation I suppose, in french. Another points : . they don't care about the accented characters and they accept files of registrants without accents even if the client had accented characters in his file at UBC. . "cdnnet.ca/update" is the fatest way to made updates ... but there's no french part on this web site : so we've got more job to handle these clients. . there's no "acei.ca" web site ! Our francophone clients in the Quebec province are fed up with such a way of doing, so do I. That's why I'm waiting for a bilingual message of every candidate who wants to be representant of the registrar community about theses concerns. Regards, Bruno Dumaine Bonjour, Notre représentant sur le conseil d'administration de l'ACEI devrait : . en premier, être bilingue . en second, être conscient des intêrets des clients francophones. C'est clair que l'ACEI n'a pas vraiment de préoccupation au sujet de ces clients : chaque fois qu'ils produisent un document tel que le RED, les nouvelles règles d'enregistrement, ..., il est en premier sur leur site web en anglais puis, quelques jours après, après traduction je suppose, en français. D'autres points : . ils s'en foutent des caractères accentués et acceptent des dossiers de titulaires sans accents, même si leur dossier en comportait à UBC. . "cdnnet/update" est la façon la plus rapide de faire des mises à jour ... mais il n'y a rien en français sur leur site : ainsi nous avons plus de travail à gérer ces clients. . il n'y a pas de site web "acei.ca" ! Nos clients francophones dans la province de Québec sont tannés de cet état de fait, et moi aussi. C'est pourquoi j'attends un message bilingue de chaque candidat qui souhaite représenter la communauté des registraires à propos de ces préoccupations. Salutations, Bruno Dumaine Paul Andersen a écrit : > > > I would like to nominate Mark Jeftovic of easyDNS for the CIRA chair. Mark > was a co-founder of easyDNS and has a vast experience both technical and > administratively in this area and would represent us well at CIRA. > > I have discussed this with Mr. Jeftovic and he has accepted this > nomination. > > Regards, > > Paul Andersen > E-Gate Communications Inc. > > --- > Paul Andersen (InterNIC:PA137) paul@egate.net > E-Gate Communications Inc. T: +1 (416) 447-7700x23 -- Bruno Dumaine, ing. Directeur des services / Services Manager mailto:bruno.dumaine@risq.qc.ca http://www.risq.qc.ca Pour renouveler votre NOM DE DOMAINE http://www.webdomaine.qc.ca For renewal of your DOMAIN NAME http://www.webdomain.qc.ca _____________________________________________________________________ T: 514-845-7181 # 228 Réseau d'Informations Scientifiques du Québec F: 514-845-8083 550, Sherbrooke ouest, Tour Ouest, bureau 250 Montréal (Québec) Canada H3A 1B9From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Mark Jeftovic [markjr@easydns.com] Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 11:28 AM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Call for Nominations for Registrars' Rep to I think the earlier the voting the better. It would be nice to have more than a day's notice if I'm going to Ottawa or not next thursday. Even voting it on tuesday would allow for more prep-time, whoever goes. -mark On 20-Oct-2000 Rob Hall wrote: > The schedule works for me. It is important we have our rep before the next > CIRA board meeting. I have spoken with a board member who will make a > motion to accept our rep for the next year. > > Accordingly, I hereby nominate Ross Rader of TUCOWS. Ross has been > involved through the ICANN process and all the trials and tribulations > there, and will bring a wealth of experience to CIRA. > > I have spoken to Ross, and he will accept the nomination. > > Robert Hall. > > P.S. maybe it will be kept even simpler and we can simply acclaim him > ..... (here's hoping !) > > > > At 05:34 AM 10/20/2000 -0700, you wrote: > >>To members of the .ca-registrars group. >> >>The .ca registrars wish to have a nomination period for an election of a >>representative who might subsequently be appointed to the Board of CIRA. >>CIRA has the authority to appoint a representative of the registrars; we >>canot elect one ourselves. We can only select a person to be our candidate. >>That person could come from our group, or be from outside our group. >> >>The current registrars' representative is John Demco, who for years was the >>.ca domain administrator from the University of British Columbia, and who >>deservedly has garnered a reputation as an unbiased servant of the public >>interest. I have spoken to him about this and his view is as follows: while >>he would like to continue to serve on the Board of CIRA, he does not feel he >>can or should act as the representative of the commercial registrars. >> >>Owing to the urgency of the time before the CIRA meeting on October 26th, >>next Thursday, I would like to have the nomination period close at the end >>of business on Monday 23 October. On Monday night an email would go out to >>the list, stating the candidates' names, affiliations, and qualifications, >>should they wish to present any. >> >>Members of the .ca-registrars group would vote for one of the candidates >>thus nominated. A candidate would be chosen. That person could be from this >>group, or someone, like John Demco, from outside this group. That candidate >>would, in all probability, be selected by CIRA, once it has determined where >>to place John Demco. >> >>1. Close of Nominations 6pm Monday October 23 >>2. Candidates signify whether they wish to stand for election (phone or >>email between me and them). >>3. Email to list, stating names and qualifications for the task >> after 6pm >> Ocotber 23 >> >>4. Voting begins after candidate email has been issued >>after 6pm Monday October 23 one vote per registrar >> >>5. Voting closes noon >>Wednesday October 25 >>6. results announced after noon on >>Wednesday >>October 25 >>If the group decides that the timing is too short, then there will not be an >>election in the coming week. On the assumption, however, that this procedure >>will prove acceptable to the ca-registrar group, I am sending out this >>proposal. >> >>I apologize for the speed at which we have to move, but it seems to me we >>have to move fast to have a representative in place for October 26th, so >>that CIRA may be able to appoint him to the Board. >> >>Timothy Denton >>Interim Coordinator >>.ca-registrars >>tmdenton@magma.ca >>www.tmdenton.com >>613-789-5397 >> > > > > -- > Rob Hall voice (613) 768-5100 > President fax (613) 820-0777 > Momentous.ca Corp. > rob@momentous.ca www.momentous.ca > > > > iti,s ---------------------------------- Mark Jeftovic http://www.easydns.com/ http://mark.jeftovic.net/ ----------------------------------From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Paul Andersen [paul@egate.net] Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 11:13 AM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Second Nomination I would like to nominate Mark Jeftovic of easyDNS for the CIRA chair. Mark was a co-founder of easyDNS and has a vast experience both technical and administratively in this area and would represent us well at CIRA. I have discussed this with Mr. Jeftovic and he has accepted this nomination. Regards, Paul Andersen E-Gate Communications Inc. --- Paul Andersen (InterNIC:PA137) paul@egate.net E-Gate Communications Inc. T: +1 (416) 447-7700x23 From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of robertm@zid.com Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 10:26 AM To: tmdenton@magma.ca Cc: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: RE: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Important- Pay Attention to this (fwd) Hello Tim, The alternative that I think would be the most beneficial would be the first. There really is no pressing urge to get new domain names working. If you look at all the applications for new domain names, it looks like most people are trying to reverse that same generic domain names. But, the functioning of current web site and email address do affect businesses and people's day-to-day activities should be the main concern. Postponing the deadline does not solve the problem. I have always been concerned that CIRA cannot handle the load of both the last minute rush and all the new registrations at the same time. I strongly support CIRA doing advertising to remind and inform people of the changes. I do not know about the rest of the country, but in Quebec the public does not know what is going on. What I still believe is that the cutting-off of service for existing domains should be pushed back until November 6. This would everyone enough time to process the last minute applications rush. Not that we would like to, but that week-end would give enough time to process last minute applications and fix rejects. But since this is not an option, pushing back the great Canadian name rush for 10 days would be our choice. Regards, Robert Macri ZiD.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net [mailto:owner-careg-discuss@egate.net]On Behalf Of Paul Andersen Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 11:51 AM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Important- Pay Attention to this (fwd) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 11:22:43 -0700 From: Timothy M. Denton To: CA Discussion List Cc: Bernard Turcotte Subject: Important- Pay Attention to this To the registrars: I am sending to you a proposal from CIRA as to how the transfer to CIRA would occur on November 1 and in the week following, and, as an alternative, how it might occur on November 15. Two alternatives are presented here. I seek your considered responses (one per company, please) to this proposal so that we can engage CIRA in an intelligent and constructive dialogue as to how registrars and CIRA are going to handle the a) technical, and b) public relations aspects of these proposals. It is my recommendation to the group that there should be no public discussion of this situation until a decision is made by the registrars group that public discussion is timely and warranted. We still have a few days in which to sort things out. CIRA would like a response from us by 4pm tomorrow. This may or may not be possible. If they go with a national advertizing campaign, they want to be able to start it Monday, 23 October. When we have figured out our position, then we can consider how this issue should be raised in the public mind. It is my preliminary inclination that CIRA should be taking the responsibility for this. Alternative #1 ___________________________________________________________________ 1 Transfer authority to CIRA on Nov. 1 (Cdn-Net transfers authority to CIRA. New zone file published. Names that have not been registered with CIRA will not resolve. There are expected to be about 40,000 of them). 2 CIRA will not process the queued transactions for new names, and advertize this fact, until Nov. 10th or 13th, as conditions warrant. 3 On Oct. 31 23:59:59 CIRA takes control of the registry and loads its zone file, thus disabling all those that have not registered. 4 Registrars concentrate on serving those that need domain names restored, for the next 7 to 9 days, as conditions warrant. 5 CIRA accumulates all requests for new domain names as of 001031 23:59:59 in a single queue for a real first-come first-served (FCFS) system. After the EMERGENCY RUSH, CIRA turns on the CAROUSEL policy queues and gets through them, still processing existing domain names as a priority. CIRA finishes these queues - 48 hours? - processes the FCFS queue (mentioned in 5 above) - within 24 hours? - and then turns the registry back on real time for everyone. ________________________________________________________ Alternative #2 1. Push back the transfer date 15 days from November 1 to November 15. 2. CIRA runs a media campaign to encourage renewals/transfers. 3. Such elements of the plan (Alternative #1) above as are still required could then be put into action. ______________________________________________________ Timothy Denton Interim Coordinator .ca-registrars tmdenton@magma.ca www.tmdenton.com 613-789-5397 From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of CA Internet Domain Registration [registrar@dot.ca] Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 9:19 AM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Tech Issues Hi Paul, some feedback from Dot.ca Re interface Using email for otd without any tech trouble that Bernard hasn't pointed us in the right direction to solve right away. Switched to xml for new regs mainly to take advantage of realtime cira approvals and to accomodate volume. Re wish list -output whois postal address information same as input. field by field. -put 48 hours back to 48 hours for pre-otd. -regis_dom verifies against Industry Canada for trademark on request -regis_dom verifies against Natural Resources for 4th level city name on request Re otd procedure Have preference for Nov 1st otd. Interest in improving free-to-pay conversion rates aside, advertising along non-internet channels (done by the people who got us to memorize 967-1111 very quickly) is a nice, morally responsible thing to do for current domain owners with invalid email. Re domain availability tech questions for post-odt new regs blocking up and down (by example) wortley.ca and wortley.toronto.on.ca are possible (AAP) verif_regis_dom even though wortley.on.ca is registered. it's ok? city/province reserved positions (by example) wortley.anything.on.ca is AAP verif_regis_dom. it's ok? Regards, Gigi gigi@dot.ca From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Rob Hall [rob@momentous.ca] Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 9:14 AM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Call for Nominations for Registrars' Rep to CIRA Board The schedule works for me. It is important we have our rep before the next CIRA board meeting. I have spoken with a board member who will make a motion to accept our rep for the next year. Accordingly, I hereby nominate Ross Rader of TUCOWS. Ross has been involved through the ICANN process and all the trials and tribulations there, and will bring a wealth of experience to CIRA. I have spoken to Ross, and he will accept the nomination. Robert Hall. P.S. maybe it will be kept even simpler and we can simply acclaim him ..... (here's hoping !) At 05:34 AM 10/20/2000 -0700, you wrote: >To members of the .ca-registrars group. > >The .ca registrars wish to have a nomination period for an election of a >representative who might subsequently be appointed to the Board of CIRA. >CIRA has the authority to appoint a representative of the registrars; we >canot elect one ourselves. We can only select a person to be our candidate. >That person could come from our group, or be from outside our group. > >The current registrars' representative is John Demco, who for years was the >.ca domain administrator from the University of British Columbia, and who >deservedly has garnered a reputation as an unbiased servant of the public >interest. I have spoken to him about this and his view is as follows: while >he would like to continue to serve on the Board of CIRA, he does not feel he >can or should act as the representative of the commercial registrars. > >Owing to the urgency of the time before the CIRA meeting on October 26th, >next Thursday, I would like to have the nomination period close at the end >of business on Monday 23 October. On Monday night an email would go out to >the list, stating the candidates' names, affiliations, and qualifications, >should they wish to present any. > >Members of the .ca-registrars group would vote for one of the candidates >thus nominated. A candidate would be chosen. That person could be from this >group, or someone, like John Demco, from outside this group. That candidate >would, in all probability, be selected by CIRA, once it has determined where >to place John Demco. > >1. Close of Nominations 6pm Monday October 23 >2. Candidates signify whether they wish to stand for election (phone or >email between me and them). >3. Email to list, stating names and qualifications for the task > after 6pm > Ocotber 23 > >4. Voting begins after candidate email has been issued >after 6pm Monday October 23 one vote per registrar > >5. Voting closes noon >Wednesday October 25 >6. results announced after noon on >Wednesday >October 25 >If the group decides that the timing is too short, then there will not be an >election in the coming week. On the assumption, however, that this procedure >will prove acceptable to the ca-registrar group, I am sending out this >proposal. > >I apologize for the speed at which we have to move, but it seems to me we >have to move fast to have a representative in place for October 26th, so >that CIRA may be able to appoint him to the Board. > >Timothy Denton >Interim Coordinator >.ca-registrars >tmdenton@magma.ca >www.tmdenton.com >613-789-5397 > -- Rob Hall voice (613) 768-5100 President fax (613) 820-0777 Momentous.ca Corp. rob@momentous.ca www.momentous.ca iti,s From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Anthony Santen [anthony@canhost.ca] Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 11:34 AM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] cadomain Does anyone know....? Who's setting up CADOMAIN ? Anthony From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Timothy M. Denton [tmdenton@magma.ca] Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 7:34 AM To: Careg-Discuss Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Call for Nominations for Registrars' Rep to CIRA Board To members of the .ca-registrars group. The .ca registrars wish to have a nomination period for an election of a representative who might subsequently be appointed to the Board of CIRA. CIRA has the authority to appoint a representative of the registrars; we canot elect one ourselves. We can only select a person to be our candidate. That person could come from our group, or be from outside our group. The current registrars' representative is John Demco, who for years was the .ca domain administrator from the University of British Columbia, and who deservedly has garnered a reputation as an unbiased servant of the public interest. I have spoken to him about this and his view is as follows: while he would like to continue to serve on the Board of CIRA, he does not feel he can or should act as the representative of the commercial registrars. Owing to the urgency of the time before the CIRA meeting on October 26th, next Thursday, I would like to have the nomination period close at the end of business on Monday 23 October. On Monday night an email would go out to the list, stating the candidates' names, affiliations, and qualifications, should they wish to present any. Members of the .ca-registrars group would vote for one of the candidates thus nominated. A candidate would be chosen. That person could be from this group, or someone, like John Demco, from outside this group. That candidate would, in all probability, be selected by CIRA, once it has determined where to place John Demco. 1. Close of Nominations 6pm Monday October 23 2. Candidates signify whether they wish to stand for election (phone or email between me and them). 3. Email to list, stating names and qualifications for the task after 6pm Ocotber 23 4. Voting begins after candidate email has been issued after 6pm Monday October 23 one vote per registrar 5. Voting closes noon Wednesday October 25 6. results announced after noon on Wednesday October 25 If the group decides that the timing is too short, then there will not be an election in the coming week. On the assumption, however, that this procedure will prove acceptable to the ca-registrar group, I am sending out this proposal. I apologize for the speed at which we have to move, but it seems to me we have to move fast to have a representative in place for October 26th, so that CIRA may be able to appoint him to the Board. Timothy Denton Interim Coordinator .ca-registrars tmdenton@magma.ca www.tmdenton.com 613-789-5397 From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Anthony Santen [anthony@canhost.ca] Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 12:24 AM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] ENREG_RANT, REGIS_DOM_RANT whois etc >> How does one test? I asked Bernard the same question. ... answer: If your standard transactions work, then the only differences are: - registration type: (If it's misspelled, the system will tell you) - shorter return messages I'm not 100% happy with this answer, but for programmers...... it can't be that hard. If you make a mistake, your #1 queue entry will be rejected, so: Simply fix the problem, and re-submit your #1 until it works. For a laugh.... how many requests have we had in total for canada.ca? We're keeping a tally. Our highest number was 14 in one day !!!! Followed by mortgage.ca and hypoteque.ca at 6 and 8 each! Anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jeftovic" To: Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 8:30 PM Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] ENREG_RANT, REGIS_DOM_RANT whois etc > At 07:42 PM 10/19/00 -0700, you wrote: > > > >You will need to use another email address to send them to: > > > >testemail2@cira.ca > >use your standard PGP key to sign > >use the caprd key to encrypt > > > > I remember an email to this effect (which is somewhere on my office `puter > right now). Using the above address the transactions are processed as live > as well aren't they? > > How does one test? > > -mark > > > ---- > Mark Jeftovic, > easyDNS Technologies Inc. http://www.easyDNS.com/ > > From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Anthony Santen [anthony@canhost.ca] Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 12:17 AM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] ENREG_RANT, REGIS_DOM_RANT whois etc Actually, I understood that testemail2@cira.ca would remain in place for all registrations, as this is on a SEPERATE CPU and is therefore not subject to the loads placed on the XML based system. I don't know when transac@cira.ca will start taking the new methods.... Anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sibername.com" To: Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] ENREG_RANT, REGIS_DOM_RANT whois etc > Hi Anthony and thank you for the detailed answer. > > So my question changes to "Does anybody know when transac@cira.ca will > start to accept these transactions". Your daily usage should be test > purposes only I guess. > > MBT > -----Original Message----- > From: "Anthony Santen" > To: > Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 19:42:20 -0700 > Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] ENREG_RANT, REGIS_DOM_RANT whois etc > > >These transaction types are available and implemented. > >we use them daily. > > > >You will need to use another email address to send them to: > > > >testemail2@cira.ca > >use your standard PGP key to sign > >use the caprd key to encrypt > > > >Anthony Santen > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Sibername.com Sales Dept." > >To: > >Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 7:12 PM > >Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] ENREG_RANT, REGIS_DOM_RANT whois etc > > > > > >> Hi all, > >> > >> Does anybody know that when the ENREG_RANT, REGIS_DOM_RANT, > >REGIS_RANT > >> transaction types will be available for email interface to CIRA. Or > >> better way to ask, are we doing something wrong which gets Unknown > >> Transaction type error for these kind of transactions, > >> > >> My second question is after OTD, will the cdnnet.ca whois server be > >> functional as it is now. > >> > >> Thanks for your answers in advance, > >> > >> Mesut TURKOGLU > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Tom Brown > >> To: careg-discuss@egate.net > >> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:55:40 -0700 (PDT) > >> Subject: RE: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Is this legit? > >> > >> >On Thu, 19 Oct 2000, Robert Macri wrote: > >> > > >> >> Hello Paul and all, > >> >> > >> >> There is nothing in the CIRA agreement that talks about how you > >fill > >> >> up your queue. Should we be allowed to auction the spots in our > >> >> queues? Personally I do not think that that is fair to our > >> >customers. > >> >> Registrars should not be allowed to auction out the positions in > >the > >> >> queue. > >> >> > >> >> But, if someone is willing to pay to be in the top 10 without > >being > >> >> sure that you will get name, good for him. I would take his money > >if > >> >> he offered it to me, it would tough to say no. > >> >> > >> >> Bottom line, it no different than scalping tickets. Some say it's > >a > >> >> service provided, but it is not really legal. > >> > > >> >Tell the box off agent that charging different amounts for > >different > >> >seats > >> >is scalping and thus illegal the next time you go get theater > >tickets, > >> >or > >> >try to get a private box for a ball/hockey/whatever game... > >> > > >> >Yes, we're charging for something that costs us nothing, but > >everyone > >> >is > >> >aware of the rules ahead of time, and the price doesn't change > >> >depending > >> >on what you're wearing, or the number of minutes to the start of > >the > >> >concert. And if they don't get the registration, then they get > >their > >> >money > >> >back... (and we have a nice affiliate program :-) > >> > > >> >Better yet, if we don't see all the queue positions, then everyone > >> >gets a > >> >better seat than they paid for :-) > >> > > >> >.... and according to a columnist that covered the story (dead-tree > >> >form in > >> >monday's victoria times-colonist), we're not the only ones doing > >this, > >> >although she didn't refer to the other folks... > >> > > >> >-Tom > >> > > >> > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >- > >> >tbrown@BareMetal.com | Don't go around saying the world owes you > >a > >> >living; > >> >http://BareMetal.com/ | the world owes you nothing; it was here > >> >first. > >> >web hosting since '95 | - Mark Twain > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Timothy M. Denton [tmdenton@magma.ca] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 11:25 PM To: Careg-Discuss Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] FW: shutdown of CDNnet registry -----Original Message----- From: demco@cs.ubc.ca [mailto:demco@cs.ubc.ca] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 3:29 PM To: Timothy Denton Subject: shutdown of CDNnet registry Hi Tim, I understand that you are coordinator for the .CA registrars. I hope that works out well for you. Can you please circulate the important note below? (Bernie mentioned this in an advisory early this month, although it was mentioned in passing rather than being the subject of the advisory.) Should OTD be moved we can consider moving the date below too. Thanks John Demco ==================================== This is to advise you that, with the new .CA domain authority scheduled to become fully operational on or about November 1, 2000, the old .CA registry system operated by CDNnet at the University of British Columbia is being shut down. For information about the new Canadian Internet Registration Authority (CIRA), please see their website at http://www.cira.ca. THE OLD (CDNNET) REGISTRY WILL STOP ACCEPTING APPLICATIONS FOR NEW .CA DOMAINS AT 11:59 PM EASTERN TIME ON SUNDAY, OCTOBER 22, 2000. ABSOLUTELY NO APPLICATIONS WILL BE ACCEPTED BY CDNNET AFTER THAT TIME. THIS INCLUDES APPLICATIONS BEING RESUBMITTED FOR ANY REASON. After November 1, all .CA domain applications must be made to CIRA via an accredited CIRA registrar. Updates to existing .CA domain registrations will be accepted by CDNnet until further notice at http://www.cdnnet.ca/update.html. I would like to take this opportunity to wish the new registry a long and useful existence, and to thank everyone for their support for the .CA domain over the years. Yours truly, John Demco (outgoing) .CA registrar http://www.cdnnet.ca From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Eric Beck [discuss@cadns.ca] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 7:59 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Tech Issues Canadian Domain Name Services Inc. With regards to the 2 proposals. Our vote went for number 2. I think the deadline should be pushed back to November 15. There are compelling reasons to do this, the biggest on being the lack of real effort at adequately informing the public at large of the process (i.e., real media campaign as opposed to email to defunct admin email contacts, or to admin email contacts that are not techies, but the secretary of the organization in question) In the .com, .net, .org world it was sort of standard practice for a long time, to make the person in charge of the internet end dealing with the domain name, the admin contact. Not so with .CA domains. The .ca Registry instructions always instructed registrants that the administrative contact should be an "administrator/director/secretary/whatever" at the company's organization. This resulted, in my opinion, in a lot of admin email contacts that don't understand the first thing about a domain name, nor DNS, nor the implications of missing the November 1 deadline. Those familiar with domain nam! e registrations always understood the crucial aspect of having a correct admin email contact address, and having that to be a person that knew the technical issues involved with modifying records, DNS issues, etc; however, a very large number of .ca domain name holders do not understand these issues. Is that their fault? Is it their fault that they filled out .ca domain name registrations according to instructions, when the more efficient method would have been to have someone as the admin contact that was "in the know". There was never any indication to previous domain name holders that their choice of admin contact would one day become so important, within a technical scope. Therefore, to be fair with the public, I think more time should be given and a mass media campaign be undertaken by CIRA. With regards to the issue of two queues. We are not in favour of this. According to CIRA's earlier information, the queue system would be maintained as it is, with new registrations going to the bottom of the registrar's queue until the queue system is turned off and live registrations start. Why should registrars have to wait for the larger queues to empty before being allowed to submit names after the OTD. That doesn't sound fair. They should be allowed to submit into their queues as long as the queues have not been emptied, i.e., the queueing system is switched off and we're live. I think there should be one queue system, as originally proposed. Regards, Eric From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Sibername.com [sales@sibername.com] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 10:34 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] ENREG_RANT, REGIS_DOM_RANT whois etc Hi Anthony and thank you for the detailed answer. So my question changes to "Does anybody know when transac@cira.ca will start to accept these transactions". Your daily usage should be test purposes only I guess. MBT -----Original Message----- From: "Anthony Santen" To: Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 19:42:20 -0700 Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] ENREG_RANT, REGIS_DOM_RANT whois etc >These transaction types are available and implemented. >we use them daily. > >You will need to use another email address to send them to: > >testemail2@cira.ca >use your standard PGP key to sign >use the caprd key to encrypt > >Anthony Santen > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Sibername.com Sales Dept." >To: >Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 7:12 PM >Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] ENREG_RANT, REGIS_DOM_RANT whois etc > > >> Hi all, >> >> Does anybody know that when the ENREG_RANT, REGIS_DOM_RANT, >REGIS_RANT >> transaction types will be available for email interface to CIRA. Or >> better way to ask, are we doing something wrong which gets Unknown >> Transaction type error for these kind of transactions, >> >> My second question is after OTD, will the cdnnet.ca whois server be >> functional as it is now. >> >> Thanks for your answers in advance, >> >> Mesut TURKOGLU >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Tom Brown >> To: careg-discuss@egate.net >> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:55:40 -0700 (PDT) >> Subject: RE: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Is this legit? >> >> >On Thu, 19 Oct 2000, Robert Macri wrote: >> > >> >> Hello Paul and all, >> >> >> >> There is nothing in the CIRA agreement that talks about how you >fill >> >> up your queue. Should we be allowed to auction the spots in our >> >> queues? Personally I do not think that that is fair to our >> >customers. >> >> Registrars should not be allowed to auction out the positions in >the >> >> queue. >> >> >> >> But, if someone is willing to pay to be in the top 10 without >being >> >> sure that you will get name, good for him. I would take his money >if >> >> he offered it to me, it would tough to say no. >> >> >> >> Bottom line, it no different than scalping tickets. Some say it's >a >> >> service provided, but it is not really legal. >> > >> >Tell the box off agent that charging different amounts for >different >> >seats >> >is scalping and thus illegal the next time you go get theater >tickets, >> >or >> >try to get a private box for a ball/hockey/whatever game... >> > >> >Yes, we're charging for something that costs us nothing, but >everyone >> >is >> >aware of the rules ahead of time, and the price doesn't change >> >depending >> >on what you're wearing, or the number of minutes to the start of >the >> >concert. And if they don't get the registration, then they get >their >> >money >> >back... (and we have a nice affiliate program :-) >> > >> >Better yet, if we don't see all the queue positions, then everyone >> >gets a >> >better seat than they paid for :-) >> > >> >.... and according to a columnist that covered the story (dead-tree >> >form in >> >monday's victoria times-colonist), we're not the only ones doing >this, >> >although she didn't refer to the other folks... >> > >> >-Tom >> > >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >- >> >tbrown@BareMetal.com | Don't go around saying the world owes you >a >> >living; >> >http://BareMetal.com/ | the world owes you nothing; it was here >> >first. >> >web hosting since '95 | - Mark Twain >> > >> >> >> > From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Mark Jeftovic [markjr@easydns.com] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 10:30 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] ENREG_RANT, REGIS_DOM_RANT whois etc At 07:42 PM 10/19/00 -0700, you wrote: > >You will need to use another email address to send them to: > >testemail2@cira.ca >use your standard PGP key to sign >use the caprd key to encrypt > I remember an email to this effect (which is somewhere on my office `puter right now). Using the above address the transactions are processed as live as well aren't they? How does one test? -mark ---- Mark Jeftovic, easyDNS Technologies Inc. http://www.easyDNS.com/ From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Anthony Santen [anthony@canhost.ca] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 9:42 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] ENREG_RANT, REGIS_DOM_RANT whois etc These transaction types are available and implemented. we use them daily. You will need to use another email address to send them to: testemail2@cira.ca use your standard PGP key to sign use the caprd key to encrypt Anthony Santen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sibername.com Sales Dept." To: Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 7:12 PM Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] ENREG_RANT, REGIS_DOM_RANT whois etc > Hi all, > > Does anybody know that when the ENREG_RANT, REGIS_DOM_RANT, REGIS_RANT > transaction types will be available for email interface to CIRA. Or > better way to ask, are we doing something wrong which gets Unknown > Transaction type error for these kind of transactions, > > My second question is after OTD, will the cdnnet.ca whois server be > functional as it is now. > > Thanks for your answers in advance, > > Mesut TURKOGLU > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Brown > To: careg-discuss@egate.net > Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:55:40 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: RE: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Is this legit? > > >On Thu, 19 Oct 2000, Robert Macri wrote: > > > >> Hello Paul and all, > >> > >> There is nothing in the CIRA agreement that talks about how you fill > >> up your queue. Should we be allowed to auction the spots in our > >> queues? Personally I do not think that that is fair to our > >customers. > >> Registrars should not be allowed to auction out the positions in the > >> queue. > >> > >> But, if someone is willing to pay to be in the top 10 without being > >> sure that you will get name, good for him. I would take his money if > >> he offered it to me, it would tough to say no. > >> > >> Bottom line, it no different than scalping tickets. Some say it's a > >> service provided, but it is not really legal. > > > >Tell the box off agent that charging different amounts for different > >seats > >is scalping and thus illegal the next time you go get theater tickets, > >or > >try to get a private box for a ball/hockey/whatever game... > > > >Yes, we're charging for something that costs us nothing, but everyone > >is > >aware of the rules ahead of time, and the price doesn't change > >depending > >on what you're wearing, or the number of minutes to the start of the > >concert. And if they don't get the registration, then they get their > >money > >back... (and we have a nice affiliate program :-) > > > >Better yet, if we don't see all the queue positions, then everyone > >gets a > >better seat than they paid for :-) > > > >.... and according to a columnist that covered the story (dead-tree > >form in > >monday's victoria times-colonist), we're not the only ones doing this, > >although she didn't refer to the other folks... > > > >-Tom > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >tbrown@BareMetal.com | Don't go around saying the world owes you a > >living; > >http://BareMetal.com/ | the world owes you nothing; it was here > >first. > >web hosting since '95 | - Mark Twain > > > > > From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Anthony Santen [anthony@canhost.ca] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 9:51 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Tech Issues CanHost Inc. 99% Email 1% XML No real interface beefs for us. Procedurally, the CIRA registrant agreement is causing us head-aches. OTD is to simple. Not really though through. Why knock all the sites off-line on the same day that your phones are ringing off the hook with people wanting to find out if their domain name 'got accepted'. I think we need to focus on keeping the existing names live first. Then worry about the cyber-squatters. Anthony Santen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Andersen" To: Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 4:12 PM Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Tech Issues > > Even though the minutes don't accurately reflect it I was asked on the > meeting of last week to collect a list of Technical concerns of registrars > for both e-mail and XML interfaces. > > I think this list will focus on post November {1st|15th} issues since at > this point I think we need to live with what we have. I am guessing people > are taking their urgent issues directly to Bernard. > > It has been suggested before a formal list is presented that I would go > chat with the developers on CIRA's side so as to get a better > understanding of whats going on at that end. > > I would like through if people could make a short e-mail stating which > interface they use. What their major beefs about it are and things they > would like to see. > > Cheers, > > Paul > > > --- > Paul Andersen (InterNIC:PA137) paul@egate.net > E-Gate Communications Inc. T: +1 (416) 447-7700x23 > > "How many PIDs could a SIGHUP HUP if a SIGHUP could HUP PIDs?" > > From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Anthony Santen [anthony@canhost.ca] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 9:45 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] ENREG_RANT, REGIS_DOM_RANT whois etc Yes.... this is vital to be able to process the masses which have not yet been (p)re-registered. Anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Hall" To: Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] ENREG_RANT, REGIS_DOM_RANT whois etc > Actually, we really do need them to keep it up until at least 30 days. > > We need to be able to get the CIRA whois data to match it in order to get a > re-registration into CIRA's database after the Nov. 1st cutoff. > > While I agree that it could be done by some other method, many of us have > automated this process, and I would hate to have to change it for just a > few weeks. > > Better for cdnnet.ca to keep it up till after Dec. 1st. > > Rob. > > At 07:13 PM 10/19/2000 -0400, Paul Andersen wrote: > >What is the point of keeping the old whois server up? It contains data > >that makes no sense. > > > >The URL method of getting whois data would be useful but after > >Pre-registration is complete and all the old domain names are made > >available I agree that this server should be shut off to the public. > > > >cheers, > > > >On Thu, 19 Oct 2000, Rob Hall wrote: > > > > > At 07:12 PM 10/19/2000 -0700, Sibername.com Sales Dept. wrote: > > > >Hi all, > > > > > > > >Does anybody know that when the ENREG_RANT, REGIS_DOM_RANT, REGIS_RANT > > > >transaction types will be available for email interface to CIRA. Or > > > >better way to ask, are we doing something wrong which gets Unknown > > > >Transaction type error for these kind of transactions, > > > > > > > >My second question is after OTD, will the cdnnet.ca whois server be > > > >functional as it is now. > > > > > > I have spoken with John on this point (the whois server), and it will be > > > available. They may restrict it to just registrars, so that the public is > > > not confused with potentially 2 different sets of whois data, as only CIRA > > > will be authoritative. > > > > > > Rob. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Rob Hall voice (613) 768-5100 > > > President fax (613) 820-0777 > > > Momentous.ca Corp. > > > rob@momentous.ca www.momentous.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > iti,s > > > > > > > > >--- > >Paul Andersen (InterNIC:PA137) paul@egate.net > >E-Gate Communications Inc. T: +1 (416) 447-7700x23 > > > > "How many PIDs could a SIGHUP HUP if a SIGHUP could HUP PIDs?" > > > > -- > Rob Hall voice (613) 768-5100 > President fax (613) 820-0777 > Momentous.ca Corp. > rob@momentous.ca www.momentous.ca > > > > iti,s > > From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Victor Arcuri [varcuri@arvic.com] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 6:42 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: RE: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Tech Issues I thank you for taking the time to write to address this topic. I do have some requests. I do not want to recieve any e-mail from cira about the progress or failure of a doamin name application. I would prefer CIRA posted via a query string to a designated page on my web site where we can parse the string and take the approporate actions. The second item on my wishg list is the ability to download a complete copy of the CIRA record on a specifc registrant where we are listed as the registrar. This is important when it comes time to update our records, do transfers or modify records. Sincerely, Victor G. Arcuri President Arvic Search Services Inc. Registered Trademark Agents, Corporate Paralegals, Credit Card Processors since 1982 #1560 521 - 3rd Ave. S.W. Calgary, Alberta Canada T2P 3T3 Phone; 403 234-0844 Fax: 403 294-0944 North America Wide Toll Free 1-888-227-8421 www.arvic.com , www.arvicsecure.com , & www.tmweb.com >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net >[mailto:owner-careg-discuss@egate.net]On Behalf Of Paul Andersen >Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 4:12 PM >To: careg-discuss@egate.net >Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Tech Issues > > > >Even though the minutes don't accurately reflect it I was asked on the >meeting of last week to collect a list of Technical concerns >of registrars >for both e-mail and XML interfaces. > >I think this list will focus on post November {1st|15th} >issues since at >this point I think we need to live with what we have. I am >guessing people >are taking their urgent issues directly to Bernard. > >It has been suggested before a formal list is presented that I would go >chat with the developers on CIRA's side so as to get a better >understanding of whats going on at that end. > >I would like through if people could make a short e-mail stating which >interface they use. What their major beefs about it are and things they >would like to see. > >Cheers, > > Paul > > >--- >Paul Andersen (InterNIC:PA137) paul@egate.net >E-Gate Communications Inc. T: +1 (416) 447-7700x23 > > "How many PIDs could a SIGHUP HUP if a SIGHUP could HUP PIDs?" > > From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Sibername.com Sales Dept. [sales@sibername.com] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 9:37 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] ENREG_RANT, REGIS_DOM_RANT whois etc Thanks for the answers, We are using email interface. If the new transaction types will not be supported by email interface, why it is given as an alternative. If PRE_ENREG is supported, I do not see any reason why the other types are not allowed. In my opinion either CIRA should discard email interface from the list of the methods or must support whatever it supports for XML interface. It does not matter it is easy to implement or not just we need to be consistent with our methods. The same for whois server. To shut the whois server down will bring privilieges to the ones who has chosen the XML method which has not been mentioned by CIRA at the beginning. MBT -----Original Message----- From: Paul Andersen To: careg-discuss@egate.net Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 19:10:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] ENREG_RANT, REGIS_DOM_RANT whois etc > >> My second question is after OTD, will the cdnnet.ca whois server be >> functional as it is now. > >No. > >I don't think CIRA has plans to offer one either. If there is enough >call >for one I think it would be fairly easy to throw one up using the XML >interface they provided. > >I will add this to be growing list of issues. > >p. > > >--- >Paul Andersen (InterNIC:PA137) paul@egate.net >E-Gate Communications Inc. T: +1 (416) 447-7700x23 > > "How many PIDs could a SIGHUP HUP if a SIGHUP could HUP PIDs?" > From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Paul Andersen [paul@egate.net] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 6:20 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] ENREG_RANT, REGIS_DOM_RANT whois etc Sorry.. My timings were off. Yes I agree that it needs to be kept around as long as we are doing Re-registrations. p. On Thu, 19 Oct 2000, Rob Hall wrote: > Actually, we really do need them to keep it up until at least 30 days. > > We need to be able to get the CIRA whois data to match it in order to get a > re-registration into CIRA's database after the Nov. 1st cutoff. > > While I agree that it could be done by some other method, many of us have > automated this process, and I would hate to have to change it for just a > few weeks. > > Better for cdnnet.ca to keep it up till after Dec. 1st. > > Rob. > > At 07:13 PM 10/19/2000 -0400, Paul Andersen wrote: > >What is the point of keeping the old whois server up? It contains data > >that makes no sense. > > > >The URL method of getting whois data would be useful but after > >Pre-registration is complete and all the old domain names are made > >available I agree that this server should be shut off to the public. > > > >cheers, > > > >On Thu, 19 Oct 2000, Rob Hall wrote: > > > > > At 07:12 PM 10/19/2000 -0700, Sibername.com Sales Dept. wrote: > > > >Hi all, > > > > > > > >Does anybody know that when the ENREG_RANT, REGIS_DOM_RANT, REGIS_RANT > > > >transaction types will be available for email interface to CIRA. Or > > > >better way to ask, are we doing something wrong which gets Unknown > > > >Transaction type error for these kind of transactions, > > > > > > > >My second question is after OTD, will the cdnnet.ca whois server be > > > >functional as it is now. > > > > > > I have spoken with John on this point (the whois server), and it will be > > > available. They may restrict it to just registrars, so that the public is > > > not confused with potentially 2 different sets of whois data, as only CIRA > > > will be authoritative. > > > > > > Rob. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Rob Hall voice (613) 768-5100 > > > President fax (613) 820-0777 > > > Momentous.ca Corp. > > > rob@momentous.ca www.momentous.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > iti,s > > > > > > > > >--- > >Paul Andersen (InterNIC:PA137) paul@egate.net > >E-Gate Communications Inc. T: +1 (416) 447-7700x23 > > > > "How many PIDs could a SIGHUP HUP if a SIGHUP could HUP PIDs?" > > > > -- > Rob Hall voice (613) 768-5100 > President fax (613) 820-0777 > Momentous.ca Corp. > rob@momentous.ca www.momentous.ca > > > > iti,s > --- Paul Andersen (InterNIC:PA137) paul@egate.net E-Gate Communications Inc. T: +1 (416) 447-7700x23 "How many PIDs could a SIGHUP HUP if a SIGHUP could HUP PIDs?" From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Rob Hall [rob@momentous.ca] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 6:18 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] ENREG_RANT, REGIS_DOM_RANT whois etc Actually, we really do need them to keep it up until at least 30 days. We need to be able to get the CIRA whois data to match it in order to get a re-registration into CIRA's database after the Nov. 1st cutoff. While I agree that it could be done by some other method, many of us have automated this process, and I would hate to have to change it for just a few weeks. Better for cdnnet.ca to keep it up till after Dec. 1st. Rob. At 07:13 PM 10/19/2000 -0400, Paul Andersen wrote: >What is the point of keeping the old whois server up? It contains data >that makes no sense. > >The URL method of getting whois data would be useful but after >Pre-registration is complete and all the old domain names are made >available I agree that this server should be shut off to the public. > >cheers, > >On Thu, 19 Oct 2000, Rob Hall wrote: > > > At 07:12 PM 10/19/2000 -0700, Sibername.com Sales Dept. wrote: > > >Hi all, > > > > > >Does anybody know that when the ENREG_RANT, REGIS_DOM_RANT, REGIS_RANT > > >transaction types will be available for email interface to CIRA. Or > > >better way to ask, are we doing something wrong which gets Unknown > > >Transaction type error for these kind of transactions, > > > > > >My second question is after OTD, will the cdnnet.ca whois server be > > >functional as it is now. > > > > I have spoken with John on this point (the whois server), and it will be > > available. They may restrict it to just registrars, so that the public is > > not confused with potentially 2 different sets of whois data, as only CIRA > > will be authoritative. > > > > Rob. > > > > > > -- > > Rob Hall voice (613) 768-5100 > > President fax (613) 820-0777 > > Momentous.ca Corp. > > rob@momentous.ca www.momentous.ca > > > > > > > > iti,s > > > > >--- >Paul Andersen (InterNIC:PA137) paul@egate.net >E-Gate Communications Inc. T: +1 (416) 447-7700x23 > > "How many PIDs could a SIGHUP HUP if a SIGHUP could HUP PIDs?" -- Rob Hall voice (613) 768-5100 President fax (613) 820-0777 Momentous.ca Corp. rob@momentous.ca www.momentous.ca iti,s From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Paul Andersen [paul@egate.net] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 6:14 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] ENREG_RANT, REGIS_DOM_RANT whois etc What is the point of keeping the old whois server up? It contains data that makes no sense. The URL method of getting whois data would be useful but after Pre-registration is complete and all the old domain names are made available I agree that this server should be shut off to the public. cheers, On Thu, 19 Oct 2000, Rob Hall wrote: > At 07:12 PM 10/19/2000 -0700, Sibername.com Sales Dept. wrote: > >Hi all, > > > >Does anybody know that when the ENREG_RANT, REGIS_DOM_RANT, REGIS_RANT > >transaction types will be available for email interface to CIRA. Or > >better way to ask, are we doing something wrong which gets Unknown > >Transaction type error for these kind of transactions, > > > >My second question is after OTD, will the cdnnet.ca whois server be > >functional as it is now. > > I have spoken with John on this point (the whois server), and it will be > available. They may restrict it to just registrars, so that the public is > not confused with potentially 2 different sets of whois data, as only CIRA > will be authoritative. > > Rob. > > > -- > Rob Hall voice (613) 768-5100 > President fax (613) 820-0777 > Momentous.ca Corp. > rob@momentous.ca www.momentous.ca > > > > iti,s > --- Paul Andersen (InterNIC:PA137) paul@egate.net E-Gate Communications Inc. T: +1 (416) 447-7700x23 "How many PIDs could a SIGHUP HUP if a SIGHUP could HUP PIDs?" From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Paul Andersen [paul@egate.net] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 6:12 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Tech Issues Even though the minutes don't accurately reflect it I was asked on the meeting of last week to collect a list of Technical concerns of registrars for both e-mail and XML interfaces. I think this list will focus on post November {1st|15th} issues since at this point I think we need to live with what we have. I am guessing people are taking their urgent issues directly to Bernard. It has been suggested before a formal list is presented that I would go chat with the developers on CIRA's side so as to get a better understanding of whats going on at that end. I would like through if people could make a short e-mail stating which interface they use. What their major beefs about it are and things they would like to see. Cheers, Paul --- Paul Andersen (InterNIC:PA137) paul@egate.net E-Gate Communications Inc. T: +1 (416) 447-7700x23 "How many PIDs could a SIGHUP HUP if a SIGHUP could HUP PIDs?" From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Rob Hall [rob@momentous.ca] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 6:12 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] ENREG_RANT, REGIS_DOM_RANT whois etc At 07:12 PM 10/19/2000 -0700, Sibername.com Sales Dept. wrote: >Hi all, > >Does anybody know that when the ENREG_RANT, REGIS_DOM_RANT, REGIS_RANT >transaction types will be available for email interface to CIRA. Or >better way to ask, are we doing something wrong which gets Unknown >Transaction type error for these kind of transactions, > >My second question is after OTD, will the cdnnet.ca whois server be >functional as it is now. I have spoken with John on this point (the whois server), and it will be available. They may restrict it to just registrars, so that the public is not confused with potentially 2 different sets of whois data, as only CIRA will be authoritative. Rob. -- Rob Hall voice (613) 768-5100 President fax (613) 820-0777 Momentous.ca Corp. rob@momentous.ca www.momentous.ca iti,s From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Paul Andersen [paul@egate.net] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 6:10 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] ENREG_RANT, REGIS_DOM_RANT whois etc > My second question is after OTD, will the cdnnet.ca whois server be > functional as it is now. No. I don't think CIRA has plans to offer one either. If there is enough call for one I think it would be fairly easy to throw one up using the XML interface they provided. I will add this to be growing list of issues. p. --- Paul Andersen (InterNIC:PA137) paul@egate.net E-Gate Communications Inc. T: +1 (416) 447-7700x23 "How many PIDs could a SIGHUP HUP if a SIGHUP could HUP PIDs?" From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Sibername.com Sales Dept. [sales@sibername.com] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 9:13 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] ENREG_RANT, REGIS_DOM_RANT whois etc Hi all, Does anybody know that when the ENREG_RANT, REGIS_DOM_RANT, REGIS_RANT transaction types will be available for email interface to CIRA. Or better way to ask, are we doing something wrong which gets Unknown Transaction type error for these kind of transactions, My second question is after OTD, will the cdnnet.ca whois server be functional as it is now. Thanks for your answers in advance, Mesut TURKOGLU -----Original Message----- From: Tom Brown To: careg-discuss@egate.net Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:55:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Is this legit? >On Thu, 19 Oct 2000, Robert Macri wrote: > >> Hello Paul and all, >> >> There is nothing in the CIRA agreement that talks about how you fill >> up your queue. Should we be allowed to auction the spots in our >> queues? Personally I do not think that that is fair to our >customers. >> Registrars should not be allowed to auction out the positions in the >> queue. >> >> But, if someone is willing to pay to be in the top 10 without being >> sure that you will get name, good for him. I would take his money if >> he offered it to me, it would tough to say no. >> >> Bottom line, it no different than scalping tickets. Some say it's a >> service provided, but it is not really legal. > >Tell the box off agent that charging different amounts for different >seats >is scalping and thus illegal the next time you go get theater tickets, >or >try to get a private box for a ball/hockey/whatever game... > >Yes, we're charging for something that costs us nothing, but everyone >is >aware of the rules ahead of time, and the price doesn't change >depending >on what you're wearing, or the number of minutes to the start of the >concert. And if they don't get the registration, then they get their >money >back... (and we have a nice affiliate program :-) > >Better yet, if we don't see all the queue positions, then everyone >gets a >better seat than they paid for :-) > >.... and according to a columnist that covered the story (dead-tree >form in >monday's victoria times-colonist), we're not the only ones doing this, >although she didn't refer to the other folks... > >-Tom > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >tbrown@BareMetal.com | Don't go around saying the world owes you a >living; >http://BareMetal.com/ | the world owes you nothing; it was here >first. >web hosting since '95 | - Mark Twain > From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Tom Brown [tbrown@baremetal.com] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 4:56 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: RE: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Is this legit? On Thu, 19 Oct 2000, Robert Macri wrote: > Hello Paul and all, > > There is nothing in the CIRA agreement that talks about how you fill > up your queue. Should we be allowed to auction the spots in our > queues? Personally I do not think that that is fair to our customers. > Registrars should not be allowed to auction out the positions in the > queue. > > But, if someone is willing to pay to be in the top 10 without being > sure that you will get name, good for him. I would take his money if > he offered it to me, it would tough to say no. > > Bottom line, it no different than scalping tickets. Some say it's a > service provided, but it is not really legal. Tell the box off agent that charging different amounts for different seats is scalping and thus illegal the next time you go get theater tickets, or try to get a private box for a ball/hockey/whatever game... Yes, we're charging for something that costs us nothing, but everyone is aware of the rules ahead of time, and the price doesn't change depending on what you're wearing, or the number of minutes to the start of the concert. And if they don't get the registration, then they get their money back... (and we have a nice affiliate program :-) Better yet, if we don't see all the queue positions, then everyone gets a better seat than they paid for :-) ... and according to a columnist that covered the story (dead-tree form in monday's victoria times-colonist), we're not the only ones doing this, although she didn't refer to the other folks... -Tom ---------------------------------------------------------------------- tbrown@BareMetal.com | Don't go around saying the world owes you a living; http://BareMetal.com/ | the world owes you nothing; it was here first. web hosting since '95 | - Mark Twain From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Tom Brown [tbrown@baremetal.com] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 4:52 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] My Two Cents On Thu, 19 Oct 2000, Martin Leclair wrote: > I agree. "us too", as long as the FCFS queue is handled after the CAROUSEL queue, which I think you indicated. (although I would question why a separate queue is needed for new domains submitted after Oct 31st and before real-time gets turned on... I thought that Bernards Oct 5th email indicated that registrations from each registrar would just get added to their CAROUSEL queue... which favours the small guys like us, but we can handle losing that priviledge between the time of starting and ending the CAROUSEL queue processing... I'd rather it wasn't between november 1st and 7 to 9 days later...) > > Martin Leclair > Groupe iWeb Technologies. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rob Hall" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 4:12 PM > Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] My Two Cents > > > > Pushing back the process does nothing but delay things unnecessarily. > > > > Separating the two makes great sense. Although the order is reversed from > > what we agreed to at the meeting, it accomplishes the same thing, which is > > to spread the load over a few days (or even a week). > > > > But why move BOTH dates ? The public has been told that Nov. 1 is the > > cutoff date. Those that have re-registered have also all paid for service > > starting that date. I think we lose credibility with changing that > > date. We should keep Nov. 1 as the cutoff date. > > > > Under Bernard's proposal, that gives us time to deal with those who were > > cutoff and then the new registrations start a few days later. > > > > I like the first option. Delaying everything only further confuses the > public. > > > > Rob. > > > > At 04:05 PM 10/19/2000 -0400, you wrote: > > > > >Regarding the options. I'd like to see a combination of the two. I think > a > > >push back of OTD until November 15th and the seperation of the two > > >processes makes the most sense. > > > > > > October November > > >Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa > > > 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 > > > 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 > > >15 16 17 18 19 20 21 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 > > >22 23 24 25 26 27 28 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 > > >29 30 31 26 27 28 29 30 > > > > > >I think aiming for the 13th for cut off for existing domains and the 20th > > >for new domains gives us two weeks of stable kaos. It also gives everyone > > >enough time to test their systems under these new specs. > > > > > >There also seems to be a constant flow of domains through us since the > > >last email from CIRA. I think CIRA should advise us what their daily flow > > >is and an estimate be made how long it would take to get what we feel is > > >the maximum percentage we can reasonably expect to get. > > > > > >Regards, > > > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- > > >Paul Andersen (InterNIC:PA137) paul@egate.net > > >E-Gate Communications Inc. T: +1 (416) 447-7700x23 > > > > > > "How many PIDs could a SIGHUP HUP if a SIGHUP could HUP PIDs?" > > > > > > > > -- > > Rob Hall voice (613) 768-5100 > > President fax (613) 820-0777 > > Momentous.ca Corp. > > rob@momentous.ca www.momentous.ca > > > > > > > > iti,s > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- tbrown@BareMetal.com | Don't go around saying the world owes you a living; http://BareMetal.com/ | the world owes you nothing; it was here first. web hosting since '95 | - Mark Twain From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Martin Leclair [leclair@webdepart.com] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 4:13 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] My Two Cents I agree. Martin Leclair Groupe iWeb Technologies. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Hall" To: Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] My Two Cents > Pushing back the process does nothing but delay things unnecessarily. > > Separating the two makes great sense. Although the order is reversed from > what we agreed to at the meeting, it accomplishes the same thing, which is > to spread the load over a few days (or even a week). > > But why move BOTH dates ? The public has been told that Nov. 1 is the > cutoff date. Those that have re-registered have also all paid for service > starting that date. I think we lose credibility with changing that > date. We should keep Nov. 1 as the cutoff date. > > Under Bernard's proposal, that gives us time to deal with those who were > cutoff and then the new registrations start a few days later. > > I like the first option. Delaying everything only further confuses the public. > > Rob. > > At 04:05 PM 10/19/2000 -0400, you wrote: > > >Regarding the options. I'd like to see a combination of the two. I think a > >push back of OTD until November 15th and the seperation of the two > >processes makes the most sense. > > > > October November > >Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa > > 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 > > 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 > >15 16 17 18 19 20 21 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 > >22 23 24 25 26 27 28 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 > >29 30 31 26 27 28 29 30 > > > >I think aiming for the 13th for cut off for existing domains and the 20th > >for new domains gives us two weeks of stable kaos. It also gives everyone > >enough time to test their systems under these new specs. > > > >There also seems to be a constant flow of domains through us since the > >last email from CIRA. I think CIRA should advise us what their daily flow > >is and an estimate be made how long it would take to get what we feel is > >the maximum percentage we can reasonably expect to get. > > > >Regards, > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > > >--- > >Paul Andersen (InterNIC:PA137) paul@egate.net > >E-Gate Communications Inc. T: +1 (416) 447-7700x23 > > > > "How many PIDs could a SIGHUP HUP if a SIGHUP could HUP PIDs?" > > > > -- > Rob Hall voice (613) 768-5100 > President fax (613) 820-0777 > Momentous.ca Corp. > rob@momentous.ca www.momentous.ca > > > > iti,s > > From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Rob Hall [rob@momentous.ca] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 3:43 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net; careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: RE: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Important- Pay Attention to this (fwd) At 04:37 PM 10/19/2000 -0400, Victor Arcuri wrote: >For the past 18 years we have acted as the registered office address for a >number of companies. Each company is advised that they must file an annual >return by a specific date of the company will be struck from the public >record. Regardless of the advance warning we provide there is always some >25% of our clients who fail to comply with the deadline. They do, however, >react once they learn their company has been struck. > >I suggest the same will happen here. Therefore, I am in favour of the >November one date for everything. I would also like to suggest that CDNNET >needs to stop accepting new domain registrations at least one week prior >namely October 24 to insure all their pending registrations are processed. CDNNET.ca stops accepting registrations for .ca domain names this Sunday at midnight. I thought everyone knew. Rob. -- Rob Hall voice (613) 768-5100 President fax (613) 820-0777 Momentous.ca Corp. rob@momentous.ca www.momentous.ca iti,s From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Victor Arcuri [varcuri@arvic.com] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 3:38 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: RE: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Important- Pay Attention to this (fwd) For the past 18 years we have acted as the registered office address for a number of companies. Each company is advised that they must file an annual return by a specific date of the company will be struck from the public record. Regardless of the advance warning we provide there is always some 25% of our clients who fail to comply with the deadline. They do, however, react once they learn their company has been struck. I suggest the same will happen here. Therefore, I am in favour of the November one date for everything. I would also like to suggest that CDNNET needs to stop accepting new domain registrations at least one week prior namely October 24 to insure all their pending registrations are processed. Sincerely, Victor G. Arcuri President Arvic Search Services Inc. Registered Trademark Agents, Corporate Paralegals, Credit Card Processors since 1982 #1560 521 - 3rd Ave. S.W. Calgary, Alberta Canada T2P 3T3 Phone; 403 234-0844 Fax: 403 294-0944 North America Wide Toll Free 1-888-227-8421 www.arvic.com , www.arvicsecure.com , & www.tmweb.com >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net >[mailto:owner-careg-discuss@egate.net]On Behalf Of Paul Andersen >Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 8:51 AM >To: careg-discuss@egate.net >Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Important- Pay Attention to this (fwd) > > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 11:22:43 -0700 >From: Timothy M. Denton >To: CA Discussion List >Cc: Bernard Turcotte >Subject: Important- Pay Attention to this > >To the registrars: > >I am sending to you a proposal from CIRA as to how the transfer to CIRA >would occur on November 1 and in the week following, and, as >an alternative, >how it might occur on November 15. Two alternatives are presented here. > >I seek your considered responses (one per company, please) to >this proposal >so that we can engage CIRA in an intelligent and constructive >dialogue as to >how registrars and CIRA are going to handle the >a) technical, and >b) public relations aspects of these proposals. > >It is my recommendation to the group that there should be no public >discussion of this situation until a decision is made by the registrars >group that public discussion is timely and warranted. We still >have a few >days in which to sort things out. CIRA would like a response >from us by 4pm >tomorrow. This may or may not be possible. If they go with a national >advertizing campaign, they want to be able to start it Monday, >23 October. > >When we have figured out our position, then we can consider >how this issue >should be raised in the public mind. It is my preliminary >inclination that >CIRA should be taking the responsibility for this. > > >Alternative #1 >___________________________________________________________________ > >1 Transfer authority to CIRA on Nov. 1 (Cdn-Net transfers >authority to CIRA. >New zone file published. Names that have not been registered >with CIRA will >not resolve. There are expected to be about 40,000 of them). > >2 CIRA will not process the queued transactions for new names, >and advertize >this fact, until Nov. 10th or 13th, as conditions warrant. > >3 On Oct. 31 23:59:59 CIRA takes control of the registry and >loads its zone >file, thus disabling all those that have not registered. > >4 Registrars concentrate on serving those that need domain >names restored, >for the next 7 to 9 days, as conditions warrant. > >5 CIRA accumulates all requests for new domain names as of >001031 23:59:59 >in a single queue for a real first-come first-served (FCFS) system. > >After the EMERGENCY RUSH, CIRA turns on the CAROUSEL policy >queues and gets >through them, still processing existing domain names as a priority. > >CIRA finishes these queues - 48 hours? - processes the FCFS >queue (mentioned >in 5 above) - within 24 hours? - and then turns the registry >back on real >time for everyone. > >________________________________________________________ > > >Alternative #2 > >1. Push back the transfer date 15 days from November 1 to November 15. > >2. CIRA runs a media campaign to encourage renewals/transfers. > >3. Such elements of the plan (Alternative #1) above as are >still required >could then be put into action. >______________________________________________________ > > Timothy Denton >Interim Coordinator >.ca-registrars >tmdenton@magma.ca >www.tmdenton.com >613-789-5397 > From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Rob Hall [rob@momentous.ca] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 3:08 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: RE: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Important- Pay Attention to this (fwd) Frankly, I would prefer that registrars vote weighed with how many domains they have registered as opposed to one vote per registrar. And for the record, internic.ca Inc. and domainsatcost.ca Corp. are separate legal entities. Rob. At 03:58 PM 10/19/2000 -0400, you wrote: >On 19-Oct-2000 Paul Andersen wrote: > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 11:22:43 -0700 > > From: Timothy M. Denton > > To: CA Discussion List > > Cc: Bernard Turcotte > > Subject: Important- Pay Attention to this > > > > To the registrars: > > > > I am sending to you a proposal from CIRA as to how the transfer to CIRA > > would occur on November 1 and in the week following, and, as an > alternative, > > how it might occur on November 15. Two alternatives are presented here. > > > >I've already sent our vote into Tim. It occurs to me that one-vote-per-company >gives Internic.ca/Domains-at-cost/et-all multiple votes by the same party, >for the most part. > >How does that sit? > >-mark > >---------------------------------- >Mark Jeftovic >http://www.easydns.com/ >http://mark.jeftovic.net/ >---------------------------------- -- Rob Hall voice (613) 768-5100 President fax (613) 820-0777 Momentous.ca Corp. rob@momentous.ca www.momentous.ca iti,s From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Rob Hall [rob@momentous.ca] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 3:13 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] My Two Cents Pushing back the process does nothing but delay things unnecessarily. Separating the two makes great sense. Although the order is reversed from what we agreed to at the meeting, it accomplishes the same thing, which is to spread the load over a few days (or even a week). But why move BOTH dates ? The public has been told that Nov. 1 is the cutoff date. Those that have re-registered have also all paid for service starting that date. I think we lose credibility with changing that date. We should keep Nov. 1 as the cutoff date. Under Bernard's proposal, that gives us time to deal with those who were cutoff and then the new registrations start a few days later. I like the first option. Delaying everything only further confuses the public. Rob. At 04:05 PM 10/19/2000 -0400, you wrote: >Regarding the options. I'd like to see a combination of the two. I think a >push back of OTD until November 15th and the seperation of the two >processes makes the most sense. > > October November >Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa > 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 > 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 >15 16 17 18 19 20 21 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 >22 23 24 25 26 27 28 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 >29 30 31 26 27 28 29 30 > >I think aiming for the 13th for cut off for existing domains and the 20th >for new domains gives us two weeks of stable kaos. It also gives everyone >enough time to test their systems under these new specs. > >There also seems to be a constant flow of domains through us since the >last email from CIRA. I think CIRA should advise us what their daily flow >is and an estimate be made how long it would take to get what we feel is >the maximum percentage we can reasonably expect to get. > >Regards, > > Paul > > > > >--- >Paul Andersen (InterNIC:PA137) paul@egate.net >E-Gate Communications Inc. T: +1 (416) 447-7700x23 > > "How many PIDs could a SIGHUP HUP if a SIGHUP could HUP PIDs?" -- Rob Hall voice (613) 768-5100 President fax (613) 820-0777 Momentous.ca Corp. rob@momentous.ca www.momentous.ca iti,s From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Robert Macri [robertm@zymos.ca] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 3:06 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: RE: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Is this legit? Hello Paul and all, There is nothing in the CIRA agreement that talks about how you fill up your queue. Should we be allowed to auction the spots in our queues? Personally I do not think that that is fair to our customers. Registrars should not be allowed to auction out the positions in the queue. But, if someone is willing to pay to be in the top 10 without being sure that you will get name, good for him. I would take his money if he offered it to me, it would tough to say no. Bottom line, it no different than scalping tickets. Some say it's a service provided, but it is not really legal. Regards, Robert Macri -----Original Message----- From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net [mailto:owner-careg-discuss@egate.net]On Behalf Of Paul Andersen Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 3:32 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Is this legit? http://baremetal.com/ca_domains/R01ee51335360051e45b9e6a8e5de1169/index Cheers, Paul --- Paul Andersen (InterNIC:PA137) paul@egate.net E-Gate Communications Inc. T: +1 (416) 447-7700x23 "How many PIDs could a SIGHUP HUP if a SIGHUP could HUP PIDs?" From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Paul Andersen [paul@egate.net] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 3:07 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Is this legit? Yes I'm aware that you are on the list :) And apparently you are correct. There is nothing against that. Good luck! p. On Thu, 19 Oct 2000, Tom Brown wrote: > > carefull, we're here too :-) > > Yeah, we think it was a good idea, and I haven't seen anything to indicate > that it isn't legit... needless to say we're going to be upset if CIRA > changes their CAROUSEL policy :-) > > -Tom > > On Thu, 19 Oct 2000, Rob Hall wrote: > > > Shit ... I wish I had thought of it ! > > > > I think it is allowed ... they are simply charging more for the first > > positions in THEIR queue. > > > > Rob. > > > > At 03:32 PM 10/19/2000 -0400, you wrote: > > > > >http://baremetal.com/ca_domains/R01ee51335360051e45b9e6a8e5de1169/index > > > > > >Cheers, > > > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > > > > >--- > > >Paul Andersen (InterNIC:PA137) paul@egate.net > > >E-Gate Communications Inc. T: +1 (416) 447-7700x23 > > > > > > "How many PIDs could a SIGHUP HUP if a SIGHUP could HUP PIDs?" > > > > > > > > -- > > Rob Hall voice (613) 768-5100 > > President fax (613) 820-0777 > > Momentous.ca Corp. > > rob@momentous.ca www.momentous.ca > > > > > > > > iti,s > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > tbrown@BareMetal.com | Don't go around saying the world owes you a living; > http://BareMetal.com/ | the world owes you nothing; it was here first. > web hosting since '95 | - Mark Twain > --- Paul Andersen (InterNIC:PA137) paul@egate.net E-Gate Communications Inc. T: +1 (416) 447-7700x23 "How many PIDs could a SIGHUP HUP if a SIGHUP could HUP PIDs?" From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Paul Andersen [paul@egate.net] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 3:06 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] My Two Cents Regarding the options. I'd like to see a combination of the two. I think a push back of OTD until November 15th and the seperation of the two processes makes the most sense. October November Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 29 30 31 26 27 28 29 30 I think aiming for the 13th for cut off for existing domains and the 20th for new domains gives us two weeks of stable kaos. It also gives everyone enough time to test their systems under these new specs. There also seems to be a constant flow of domains through us since the last email from CIRA. I think CIRA should advise us what their daily flow is and an estimate be made how long it would take to get what we feel is the maximum percentage we can reasonably expect to get. Regards, Paul --- Paul Andersen (InterNIC:PA137) paul@egate.net E-Gate Communications Inc. T: +1 (416) 447-7700x23 "How many PIDs could a SIGHUP HUP if a SIGHUP could HUP PIDs?" From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Mark Jeftovic [markjr@easydns.com] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 2:58 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Cc: tmdenton@magma.ca Subject: RE: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Important- Pay Attention to this (fwd) On 19-Oct-2000 Paul Andersen wrote: > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 11:22:43 -0700 > From: Timothy M. Denton > To: CA Discussion List > Cc: Bernard Turcotte > Subject: Important- Pay Attention to this > > To the registrars: > > I am sending to you a proposal from CIRA as to how the transfer to CIRA > would occur on November 1 and in the week following, and, as an alternative, > how it might occur on November 15. Two alternatives are presented here. > I've already sent our vote into Tim. It occurs to me that one-vote-per-company gives Internic.ca/Domains-at-cost/et-all multiple votes by the same party, for the most part. How does that sit? -mark ---------------------------------- Mark Jeftovic http://www.easydns.com/ http://mark.jeftovic.net/ ----------------------------------From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Tom Brown [tbrown@baremetal.com] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 3:06 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Is this legit? carefull, we're here too :-) Yeah, we think it was a good idea, and I haven't seen anything to indicate that it isn't legit... needless to say we're going to be upset if CIRA changes their CAROUSEL policy :-) -Tom On Thu, 19 Oct 2000, Rob Hall wrote: > Shit ... I wish I had thought of it ! > > I think it is allowed ... they are simply charging more for the first > positions in THEIR queue. > > Rob. > > At 03:32 PM 10/19/2000 -0400, you wrote: > > >http://baremetal.com/ca_domains/R01ee51335360051e45b9e6a8e5de1169/index > > > >Cheers, > > > > Paul > > > > > > > >--- > >Paul Andersen (InterNIC:PA137) paul@egate.net > >E-Gate Communications Inc. T: +1 (416) 447-7700x23 > > > > "How many PIDs could a SIGHUP HUP if a SIGHUP could HUP PIDs?" > > > > -- > Rob Hall voice (613) 768-5100 > President fax (613) 820-0777 > Momentous.ca Corp. > rob@momentous.ca www.momentous.ca > > > > iti,s > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- tbrown@BareMetal.com | Don't go around saying the world owes you a living; http://BareMetal.com/ | the world owes you nothing; it was here first. web hosting since '95 | - Mark Twain From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Rob Hall [rob@momentous.ca] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 2:40 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Is this legit? Shit ... I wish I had thought of it ! I think it is allowed ... they are simply charging more for the first positions in THEIR queue. Rob. At 03:32 PM 10/19/2000 -0400, you wrote: >http://baremetal.com/ca_domains/R01ee51335360051e45b9e6a8e5de1169/index > >Cheers, > > Paul > > > >--- >Paul Andersen (InterNIC:PA137) paul@egate.net >E-Gate Communications Inc. T: +1 (416) 447-7700x23 > > "How many PIDs could a SIGHUP HUP if a SIGHUP could HUP PIDs?" -- Rob Hall voice (613) 768-5100 President fax (613) 820-0777 Momentous.ca Corp. rob@momentous.ca www.momentous.ca iti,s From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Paul Andersen [paul@egate.net] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 2:32 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Is this legit? http://baremetal.com/ca_domains/R01ee51335360051e45b9e6a8e5de1169/index Cheers, Paul --- Paul Andersen (InterNIC:PA137) paul@egate.net E-Gate Communications Inc. T: +1 (416) 447-7700x23 "How many PIDs could a SIGHUP HUP if a SIGHUP could HUP PIDs?" From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Paul Andersen [paul@egate.net] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 12:56 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] question regarding PRE_ENREG Yes... You can query it with the utilities at the end of the specs. I forget which one. I think it is a registrant search. Has anyone been able to make that work under any circumstance othern then dom=* reg=*? I've tried several times and get no results unless I use a complete wildcard. p. On Thu, 19 Oct 2000, Mark Jeftovic wrote: > > Stupid question time, do people who have already put through an existing > .CA have a registrant ID (as per the one you would create with ENREG_RANT > transaction?) > > -mark > > ---------------------------------- > Mark Jeftovic > http://www.easydns.com/ > http://mark.jeftovic.net/ > ---------------------------------- > --- Paul Andersen (InterNIC:PA137) paul@egate.net E-Gate Communications Inc. T: +1 (416) 447-7700x23 "How many PIDs could a SIGHUP HUP if a SIGHUP could HUP PIDs?" From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Paul Andersen [paul@egate.net] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 12:55 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] False advertising by Intrernic.ca According to the number Robert Hall mentioned at the meeting he may indeed not be making false claim. p. On Thu, 19 Oct 2000, Victor Arcuri wrote: > I just paid a vast to internic.ca, at the request of a client, to confirm > that this site advertises that they process more domain names all other CA > registrars combined. This is clearly a case of false advertising. Perhaps > this is an area that could be addressed by this group. If not then I intend > to pursue this matter further. > > Sincerely, > Victor G. Arcuri > President > Arvic Search Services Inc. > Registered Trademark Agents, Corporate Paralegals, Credit Card Processors > since 1982 > #1560 521 - 3rd Ave. S.W. > Calgary, Alberta Canada T2P 3T3 > > Phone; 403 234-0844 > Fax: 403 294-0944 > North America Wide Toll Free 1-888-227-8421 > www.arvic.com , www.arvicsecure.com > , & www.tmweb.com > > --- Paul Andersen (InterNIC:PA137) paul@egate.net E-Gate Communications Inc. T: +1 (416) 447-7700x23 "How many PIDs could a SIGHUP HUP if a SIGHUP could HUP PIDs?" From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Ameet Mehta [amehta@endless.net] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 12:41 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: Re: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Meeting I was unable to stay for the entire meeting. Has the minutes of the meeting been sent out yet? Ameet From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Victor Arcuri [varcuri@arvic.com] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 12:13 PM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] False advertising by Intrernic.ca I just paid a vast to internic.ca, at the request of a client, to confirm that this site advertises that they process more domain names all other CA registrars combined. This is clearly a case of false advertising. Perhaps this is an area that could be addressed by this group. If not then I intend to pursue this matter further. Sincerely, Victor G. Arcuri President Arvic Search Services Inc. Registered Trademark Agents, Corporate Paralegals, Credit Card Processors since 1982 #1560 521 - 3rd Ave. S.W. Calgary, Alberta Canada T2P 3T3 Phone; 403 234-0844 Fax: 403 294-0944 North America Wide Toll Free 1-888-227-8421 www.arvic.com , www.arvicsecure.com , & www.tmweb.com From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Mark Jeftovic [markjr@easydns.com] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 11:56 AM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] question regarding PRE_ENREG Stupid question time, do people who have already put through an existing .CA have a registrant ID (as per the one you would create with ENREG_RANT transaction?) -mark ---------------------------------- Mark Jeftovic http://www.easydns.com/ http://mark.jeftovic.net/ ----------------------------------From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Mark Jeftovic [markjr@easydns.com] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 11:42 AM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Cc: Bernard Turcotte Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] telco registrations In the article posted at: http://www.afternic.com/index.cfm?a=news&sa=more&st=5447 CIRA chair Maureen Cubberly says something along the lines that in addition to a couple "large registrars" about to come online, that next week the telcos would start putting through thousands of .ca registrations of existing .CA's What exactly does that mean? Are the telcos required to go through a CIRA registrar or is there some sort of special dispensation for them? The way the statement is delivered makes me wonder. -mark ---------------------------------- Mark Jeftovic http://www.easydns.com/ http://mark.jeftovic.net/ ----------------------------------From: owner-careg-discuss@egate.net on behalf of Paul Andersen [paul@egate.net] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 10:51 AM To: careg-discuss@egate.net Subject: [CAREG-DISCUSS] Important- Pay Attention to this (fwd) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 11:22:43 -0700 From: Timothy M. Denton To: CA Discussion List Cc: Bernard Turcotte Subject: Important- Pay Attention to this To the registrars: I am sending to you a proposal from CIRA as to how the transfer to CIRA would occur on November 1 and in the week following, and, as an alternative, how it might occur on November 15. Two alternatives are presented here. I seek your considered responses (one per company, please) to this proposal so that we can engage CIRA in an intelligent and constructive dialogue as to how registrars and CIRA are going to handle the a) technical, and b) public relations aspects of these proposals. It is my recommendation to the group that there should be no public discussion of this situation until a decision is made by the registrars group that public discussion is timely and warranted. We still have a few days in which to sort things out. CIRA would like a response from us by 4pm tomorrow. This may or may not be possible. If they go with a national advertizing campaign, they want to be able to start it Monday, 23 October. When we have figured out our position, then we can consider how this issue should be raised in the public mind. It is my preliminary inclination that CIRA should be taking the responsibility for this. Alternative #1 ___________________________________________________________________ 1 Transfer authority to CIRA on Nov. 1 (Cdn-Net transfers authority to CIRA. New zone file published. Names that have not been registered with CIRA will not resolve. There are expected to be about 40,000 of them). 2 CIRA will not process the queued transactions for new names, and advertize this fact, until Nov. 10th or 13th, as conditions warrant. 3 On Oct. 31 23:59:59 CIRA takes control of the registry and loads its zone file, thus disabling all those that have not registered. 4 Registrars concentrate on serving those that need domain names restored, for the next 7 to 9 days, as conditions warrant. 5 CIRA accumulates all requests for new domain names as of 001031 23:59:59 in a single queue for a real first-come first-served (FCFS) system. After the EMERGENCY RUSH, CIRA turns on the CAROUSEL policy queues and gets through them, still processing existing domain names as a priority. CIRA finishes these queues - 48 hours? - processes the FCFS queue (mentioned in 5 above) - within 24 hours? - and then turns the registry back on real time for everyone. ________________________________________________________ Alternative #2 1. Push back the transfer date 15 days from November 1 to November 15. 2. CIRA runs a media campaign to encourage renewals/transfers. 3. Such elements of the plan (Alternative #1) above as are still required could then be put into action. ______________________________________________________ Timothy Denton Interim Coordinator .ca-registrars tmdenton@magma.ca www.tmdenton.com 613-789-5397